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Old 02-21-2015, 06:42 PM
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Prelude Won't Start

As most of you know of my long time hibernated Prelude, It was parked for 15 years. It's a Carbed 2.0. I got a good battery from a friend for the price of free, lol. I did most of the main maintenance for a car parked so long. Replaced spark plugs and wires, oil, both fuel filters, air filter, fuel pump assembly, dropped and cleaned the gas tank, and put in new hose clamps on all the fuel system (Because I doubted the holding power of those weird torque lock clamps.) Now when the I turn the key to the "On" position: fuel pump kicks in and most of the dash lights come on. Now when I turn the key further the motor begins turning over and that's all it does, it doesn't smell like its burning any of the gas from the back tailpipe at all however the fuel line has pressure and I disconnected it from the front fuel filter to make sure gas comes out. It about started twice during both the 15 second turnovers. I tried pumping the gas pedal, holding down the gas pedal, checked the shifter sensor, checked the fuel lines to ensure no leaks were present. However the question is my Prelude doesn't go into Park as most know, could that be the cause? Is there a brake safety that prevents me from the starting the car in neutral without holding the brake pedal down? However there is a final thought, when I cleaned out the tank and put it back in I connected all the hoses except two red ones that seemed to go to a pressure valve of some sort that goes bolted right beside the fuel pump hole could this also be considered a cause?
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

Me thinks the safety thing stops the motor from even getting power to the starter..like a dead battery thing.

How's them ground wires?
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

You're right because the starter never turns on anything other than Neutral. They're all good, I checked all the grounds in the diagram and they were all good, no corrosion or acid on them.

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Re: Prelude Won't Start

Have you tried starter fluid? It'll confirm if it's a fuel thing or not, as in if the car sputters or actually goes for a second or two you know it's got spark to all the right places.

You say most of the dash lights work.lol...well that could be blown bulbs.

After 16 years there may be some mini critters living in some of the darndest places. Or left their cacoon remnants behind.

A good friend of mine bought an old motorbike that hadn't run since clinton was in office. He took the carbs to an old carb guy who got them 'working' long enough to know the motor worked. But bottom line, after sitting all tthat time there's probably varnish, brittle gaskets and vacuum woes that'll drive you nuts for the forseeable future.

Look on old motorbike sites, especially Honda as well as old honda sites like Honda roots, and find you a good carby guy.
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

I'll be trying the starter fluid tomorrow, I'm having a friend who is an expert on 70s and 80s Hondas coming over next week since he'll be needing to use one of my garage bays to work on his 79 Prelude. So if I can't get it sorted tomorrow I have a backup plan.
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

Right on!! .

79? Faaaantastic!!!

Let's see,...that was a sorta cvcc with a fancy dash and better handling? Is it a Hondamatic or stick?
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Right on!! .

79? Faaaantastic!!!

Let's see,...that was a sorta cvcc with a fancy dash and better handling? Is it a Hondamatic or stick?
Lol it's a stick



Update I redid all those rear hose lines to the valve system on the tank and put in 5 more gallons of gas. I sprayed in some starter fluid and as of now it just about starts in every turn over, I smell gas out of the exhaust pipe so I guess it is just flooded. Leaking gas out of the second fuel filter before the carb so I put in a new hose there. So what's the procedure? On the old Fords my dad used to own I would simply hold the pedal down to unflood the engine and pump it if it needed more gas to start but I don't know if this procedure works with Hondas.
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

I've done exactly that with my car.
Here's to Henry and his autolite carby.

Timing is key though. When she's just about to catch, that's the time. Just like your old Ford. But as soon as she goes be ready to pull your foot back...but not all the way. Enough to keep her going 1500-2000k rpms. Keeping it floored will result in over revving extremely fast. But you probably knew that.
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I've done exactly that with my car.
Here's to Henry and his autolite carby.

Timing is key though. When she's just about to catch, that's the time. Just like your old Ford. But as soon as she goes be ready to pull your foot back...but not all the way. Enough to keep her going 1500-2000k rpms. Keeping it floored will result in over revving extremely fast. But you probably knew that.

I pulled out all the spark plugs and as I thought, it was completely flooded in all chambers, Turned it over a few bits till there was no gas in the chambers but now there is a weird problem. I gapped all spark plugs to 0.44 before installation and now spark plug number 4 out of the rest completely lost its gap, like the ground electrode rests against the center electrode. Anyway I'll finish with this tomorrow.
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Holy cow, that's some bad luck, bro
Hope you solve it soon.
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Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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Re: Prelude Won't Start

Alright all re gapped and I found out why spark plug number 4 was that way, I should have put it in carefully by hand because I put it in a socket and just pushed it in till it finally got in its hole (awful procedure) But anyway it flooded itself back up and the spark plug gaps are still the same. Could you give me a diagram of the order of the spark plug wires from the distributor to their spark plugs? I may have just mixed the plug wires up when I changed them.
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

All the spark plugs were the same gap when I pulled this time so it was definitely user error on install. Deflooded it and installed them again and followed like they said on the thread 4321 on the motor from right to left and 2134 on the distributor from top to the bottom. It didn't even hit right so I put them back the way they were, my distributor cap numbers from top to bottom III,II,I,III so I'm pretty confused. The motor hit on every turn over but still didn't start up, pulled the plugs and they were all fouled.
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

I gotta ask....

Got spark?
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

Man, with it flooding like that, I wonder if a float is stuck open... Try tapping both carbs with the handle of a decent side screwdriver. Sometimes that will unstick them. Floats usually get stuck when the car sits up and the gasoline varnishes the needle in the seat and won't let it come back down, causing the vacuum from the intake to just suck as much gas in as it wants.
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

My friend Carson (The genius with the 79 Prelude) came over, I cleaned all the spark plugs and disconnected a few vacuum hoses. It started up and runs but really bad and then we reconnected the vacuum hoses. Stalls out every 20 seconds or so and idles high, not to mention a lot of smoke like a smoke bomb went off in the garage. Spark plug number 3 is not hitting, disconnected it and the car ran the same. Case is mostly solved.
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

Alright I need a genius with Prelude spark plugs here. Reason for misfire is that the previous owner drilled the hole (Probably with a m14 threader) and basically the spark plug is too small for the hole. So what I do now? Is there a spark plug thread adapter or something available out there? I found this but don't know if it will work. Big-Sert 51457A M14 x 1.25 x 16.8MM Aluminum Taper Seat Insert - Mechanics Tools and Bits
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++ BIG-SERT Oversized Spark plug thread repair kits ++ spark plug thread repair for oversized holes previously repaired spark plug holes threads stripped

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Spark plug hole rethreaded and installed. More issues now, idles around 1k pretty normal but once up to 3k tries to stall out. Smokes a combo of oil and gas out of the exhaust pipe. Carbed ftw!
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It started?

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Re: Prelude Won't Start

After further inspection it is concluded that it is running reallyyyyyyyyyy rich causing the plugs to carbon foul withing 5 minutes. I have to hold it around 1,200rpm because anything below runs rough till it dies.
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It's a start (pun intended)
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Lol, I've decided on going for a new set of plugs tomorrow. It's either going to be a weak spark or a problem with the Map sensor or maybe I'll have to rebuild the carb.
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

I talked to my boss today who restores classic cars from the 60's about how ethanol was affecting his cars and how often he starts them.

He said in his sorta 1920's alabama accent "ethanol don't hurt the car none, trouble is I gotta keep rebuildin' the d@m carburators cause thuh sumbitches keep gettin' all gummed up wit that $hit"...


^^ he drove this car or ones like it against the big stars of the time.

Now he restores cars...1 of 110 type.


^^ secret spy photo of his latest...
People pay him to photograph his cars for calenders and stuff.

With that said my vote goes to figuring on rebuilding the carbs while you scope out the spark thing and sensor parts.

That dude is why I chose the 97 car I chose, all beat up, and used up and is why my project is going the direction it is. I don't have anywhere near the know how or the resources of the guy. But when I saw the size of the tree growing in the engine bay of a 63 impala ss he turned into a trophy car in 2 years, I knew my bucket of bolts could someday be a car I'm proud of. I'm 2 years in and about 1/3 done...learning curve is steep and tall with limited time to play with the giant hot wheels car.

So hang in there bro. It's a steep learning curve with all these pollution controls and japanese engineering. But it sure is fun when things go well (finally)
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

Yeah, sounds like your carbs are all gummed up. And I'm still sticking by my hunch that one or both needles and/or floats are stuck open, hence the running rich.

I bet you could find a carb rebuild manual and rebuild them yourself. You should ALSO make sure that you can get the carb rebuild kits AND new floats for them BEFORE taking them apart.

The other option (Which would be my last resort if I couldn't find the gasket sets) would be to get one of those 1 gallon bucket of carb cleaner and soak them one by one without taking them apart. Then shake them, blow them out with air, and try to run some gas through them while they are off the car. Or do a 3 part rinse in gasoline to get the carb cleaner out before reinstalling.

But like I said, that is a last choice option!
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Started it up today. No smoking at all, but still has the miss. But now a bit of smoke comes out of the valve cover cap and oil dipstick with every turnover while running. Definitely sure the piston rings may be gone.
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Don't give up on it yet..the blow back sounds bad. But maybe after some time all will be settled in, and ole bessy might start doing ok.

My 1st mustang had sat for 14 years. Oh, it was a heck-uvan ordeal at first. 200+k miles on a 1966 200ci motor...but she purred like a kitten after some struggles at first.
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Re: Prelude Won't Start

Sorry for not going back and reading but did you drain the old gasoline? It COULD/SHOULD straighten out once you get some fresh gas through it... Maybe some fuel stabilizer or gas treatment? Running fresh gas through the system SHOULD clean out all that old stuff (varnish and such) and free up any stuck parts as gasoline is a GREAT parts washing agent!!
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Yea dropped the gas tank and flushed it clean followed by both new fuel filters. I'll definitely get a bottle of fuel stabilizer. I'll also pick up a set of spark plugs and a gallon of Castrol 20w50 High mileage synthetic with a oil filter. Should I run something through the oil system before draining it? like seafoam or something?
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