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Automatic Shifter Issue

Alright I'm about to work with the issue of the shifter currently "locked" on neutral and I thought I'd seek some advice before I get into it. 1988 Honda Prelude 2.0s Carbureted 4spd Auto. Shifter will not shift out of neutral, keys are on "On" position, held the brakes down, nothing. I disassembled the entire center console and found the problem to be not with the shifting mechanism itself but past where the line exits to "under" the vehicle. Any ideas on what could possibly be causing this problem?
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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

Could be a rusted cable or frozen cable. Are you in a cold climate? Once my speedometer cable rusted at the bottom of the cable housing(tube). Does that year have a shifter override? Where you put a key in an ignition looking thing next to the shifter?
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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

Did you unlock the shifter with your key?

What exactly does the key lock Lespaul59?

Guessing it won't go into reverse either?
How'd it get stuck in neutral?

Linkage between the shift lever and the transmission may have become jammed at the transmission. Try unfastening it at the tranny and see if that allows the lever to operate.
I had mud in my linkage on a car once...it froze and wouldn't allow it to shift from park to forward, but would allow it to go into reverse.
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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

On my 90 lude there is an override lock to the right of the shifter. Sometimes when you're on a hill it wont go into gear so you stick a key in and press down on the key to release the trans from Park to whatever gear you want. Sometimes when mine is idling too high I have to use it. yOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HEAR A CLICK NOISE WHEN YOU PUT THE BRAKE ON TO RELEASE IT.
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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

Not really tooo cold, the coldest it gets here is 15 degrees F.
There is no lock mechanism/override by the shifter or anything as you said.

Yea I unlocked the steering column and started the car but the shifter won't move at all.
Won't go into reverse, and I have no idea, I bought the car like this. lol. Where is the linkage to the trans? towards the back of the car behind the transmission on the passenger side?
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Under the transmission cover plate for the torque convertor.
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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

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Under the transmission cover plate for the torque convertor.
It was simple and quick to find once the car was jacked up, however how do I disconnect it from the transmission? There doesn't seem to be anything there unbolt.
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You really don't wanna hear the bad news but..... Gotta separate the trans from the engine and then move the torque convertor out of the way just to get to it. I know that sucks. At least the Accord has a cutout area on their transmissions where you can get to it.Damn I feel bad for ya! I changed one two months ago on a 90 lude and it wasn't fun. It's actually behind the torque convertor so have fun. I'll get a pic for you shortly.

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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

Here ya go.The trans on the left is lude. Now you can see the dilema. Pic on the Right is Accord where they Actually notched the trans to remove the cable.Accord is from 1996. Guess it took them a few years to figure it out.
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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

So your shift lever is in the Neutral position now? Or Park? I realize you said neutral already.

Do you have a way to have somebody help you? Like have them push on the thumb button and you watch for movement under the car type thing...

Go to prelude3g and download a service manual which will tell you how to install/remove the tranny. It should have diagrams to help you understand what is where. It may have tips to solve your situation. I had a 91 auto and had studied up on it's tranny, but have purged all that from memory to make room for info to fix what ails my 97. I've also misplaced the dang service manual.
There's a service manual here at pz in the diy section, but the one at prelude3g is laid out a lot better and has page 1(the index) of each chapter. The one here begins at page 2...
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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

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You really don't wanna hear the bad news but..... Gotta separate the trans from the engine and then move the torque convertor out of the way just to get to it. I know that sucks. At least the Accord has a cutout area on their transmissions where you can get to it.Damn I feel bad for ya! I changed one two months ago on a 90 lude and it wasn't fun. It's actually behind the torque convertor so have fun. I'll get a pic for you shortly.
Darn it, that's not what I wanted to hear I guess for now I'll just leave it in the garage until I finish my other project.
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So your shift lever is in the Neutral position now? Or Park? I realize you said neutral already.

Do you have a way to have somebody help you? Like have them push on the thumb button and you watch for movement under the car type thing...

Go to prelude3g and download a service manual which will tell you how to install/remove the tranny. It should have diagrams to help you understand what is where. It may have tips to solve your situation. I had a 91 auto and had studied up on it's tranny, but have purged all that from memory to make room for info to fix what ails my 97. I've also misplaced the dang service manual.
There's a service manual here at pz in the diy section, but the one at prelude3g is laid out a lot better and has page 1(the index) of each chapter. The one here begins at page 2...
It's been in neutral the whole time.....

Sure I have someone to help with that. I already downloaded the manual of prelude3g and I read about everyday, I know pretty much exactly how to work it around.
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Great time to do an auto to manual swap.
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What is that mysterious little square area to the lower right of the shifter? Looks like the shift interlock which I was talking about earlier. I'll take a pic of mine shortly also.
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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

Honda had a bad habit of using metals that rust as the conduit in their cables sometimes. The chronic frozen heater control cable through the firewall comes to mind.
So, my brain says you may have a frozen control cable like Les said earlier.
Les, it sounds like you could elaborate on the make up of the cable.

In the meantime p9-57 of the 88 manual shows a basic diagram of other items that could cause a stuck shifter....as in they call for grease at those areas.


^^ p9-57


^^ places to check for movement.




So see if you can unfasten the control cable at the lever end and see if that allows the lever at least move towards drive S3 etc.
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Great time to do an auto to manual swap.
That was my plan for the future but looks like it will come in sooner than I expected.
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What is that mysterious little square area to the lower right of the shifter? Looks like the shift interlock which I was talking about earlier. I'll take a pic of mine shortly also.
If I remember correctly that's the "sport" button for the auto transmission.
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Honda had a bad habit of using metals that rust as the conduit in their cables sometimes. The chronic frozen heater control cable through the firewall comes to mind.
So, my brain says you may have a frozen control cable.
Les, it sounds like you could elaborate on the make up of the cable.

In the meantime p9-57 of the 88 manual shows a basic diagram of other items that could cause a stuck shifter....as in they call for grease at those areas.



So see if you can unfasten the control cable at the lever end and see if that allows the lever at least move towards drive S3 etc.

All the parts are functioning, its the line that is not allowing the shifter to move, it's pretty stiff, I'll try disconnecting it later.
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All the parts are functioning, its the line that is not allowing the shifter to move, it's pretty stiff, I'll try disconnecting it later.
That's a drag.

Well the good news is at least it's stuck in Neutral so at least you can move the car.
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That's a drag.

Well the good news is at least it's stuck in Neutral so at least you can move the car.
Haha, yea I couldn't have brought it home if it was stuck in park.
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Anyway to fit a liquid wrench straw into the cable conduit and load that sucka with anti-sieze?
Or carefully pour a 50/50 mix of atf and acetone in there...


^^ a good friend schooled me on the 50/50 thing.
Edit: apparently they used power steering fluid, not atf. Apparently atf doesn't mix with acetone but psf does.


The heater control cable I mentioned has an issue where the conduit rusts, then swells due to said rust and binds the cable.

Trouble is, Honda continued using the same materials many years later. And if you buy a new one, guess what? Same materials!

What I did with my new heater cable was before install, spray it with graphite, then wd40, then graphite several times until each was pouring out of the other end.
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I just hope a lego or a stupid lighter isn't in there preventing it from moving.
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^^LMAO!! good point!
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(Watch in 1080p lol)
Well then...............................It's free on all gears except park now. lol
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I'm gonna guess that something is catching or worn under that shifter. A gear or a pawl or maybe a penny. Might wanna disassemble a little more.
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I just hope a lego or a stupid lighter isn't in there preventing it from moving.
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Would lack of Brake Fluid not allow the shifter to shift into park?
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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

Try putting the key int the ignition and turning it to the on position.
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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

Do these automatic cars have a shifting interlock that keeps them from being shifted into drive without first pressing the brake? I know that they usually don't interfere with shifting the car back into park, but maybe if it is malfunctioning?

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Re: Automatic Shifter Issue

With my shift interlock, If pushing in on the brake doesn't produce a click sound then it won't even go out of Park. That's why they have a key to push. Maybe it was for the 90-91 only but the pic he shows doesn't have it.
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