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Icon9 help, where can I buy, find a compressor?

Sorry to title it with a typical urgent way like noobs tend to do but i Can't think of any other way.

I found a Mechanic to do my A/c at a good price. He ordered all the parts he Needed including the compressor bit the Vendor sold him one for an '89 instead . He is saying all the places he is calling can't get one for him, to quote him its on "national backorder". Is this the Nail in the coffin or is someplace maybe he missed?
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What year do you have? I would believe that the compressor SHOULD be the same from 88-91...
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What year do you have? I would believe that the compressor SHOULD be the same from 88-91...
Thats what I thought. I took a pictures of what we saw,

The first picture is of the compressor that is in the Car.

The Second picture is What the Mechanic received Which he is Saying is wrong for my car (given that it does not match what he was pulling out of my car.)

where the lines connect are further apart than where they would on the new compressor that you can See in The second picture.

I went to pepboys and They said They have the compressors in stock for my car but when they showed me the picture of theirs, it was identical to the one in The Second picture which is supposedly the wrong one.

I am very perplexed
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Re: help, where can I buy, find a compressor?

Kinda hard to tell from the pictures, but this is what I found on RockAuto Parts Catalog



I looked up an 89 Si DOHC Prelude
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Here's one a little cheaper at AutoZone | Auto Parts & Accessories | Repair Guides & More

Everco/A/C Compressor 57494 at AutoZone.com - 1 reviews

But I think it looks more like the "wrong one" you have and the one on RockAuto looks more like your stock one.
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Kinda hard to tell from the pictures, but this is what I found on RockAuto Parts Catalog



I looked up an 89 Si DOHC Prelude
mind blown

why is the 89 different from the 90? and why does mine have an 89 in it if mine is a 90...lol..

I don't expect to you to know the answer, I'm just throwing it out there.
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The 90/91 got a face lift on the outside and got some changes on the inside.
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mind blown

why is the 89 different from the 90? and why does mine have an 89 in it if mine is a 90...lol..

I don't expect to you to know the answer, I'm just throwing it out there.
I actually might know the answer or at the very least , a plausible theory...

If Honda did in fact put a different A/C Compressor on the 90-91's, then it is possible that on select 90's, they very well could have put any remaining 88-89 style A/C compressors on to use up their stock before switching over to the new A/C Compressor style/model. This could have been for one plant location or for several plants.

Crazy stuff happens when Manufacturers make mild changes instead of a major facelift or complete new generation change.

Case in point: I have a 1988 Chevrolet Suburban. It's a TravelQuest model, which means a customization company took a base model, put some plush seats, real wood console and door trim and badges on it to make it a TravelQuest. Well, when I went to find an Alternator for it when I broke down on an out of town vacation, I quickly learned that the engine & harness was a 1987. How can I tell, cause neither a 1986 nor a 1988 alternator has the same connector or pulley on it as a 1987 does. The 86 used a 2 pin connector and an 88 uses a 4 wire, 4 contact connector. The 87's use a 4 pin connector, but with only 2 wires in that connector. 86's use a V-Belt pulley with a standard fan, the 87 uses a multigroove with the same fan, and an 88 uses a multigroove with an even different fan and the spacing is different.

Anyways... There is MY theory.
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I have a question... Do you have the 2.0 or the 2.1 engine?
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I looked at honda parts now and saw the ac compressor for the 88/89 Si model was also used with the 90/91 2.1 4ws.
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I actually might know the answer or at the very least , a plausible theory...

If Honda did in fact put a different A/C Compressor on the 90-91's, then it is possible that on select 90's, they very well could have put any remaining 88-89 style A/C compressors on to use up their stock before switching over to the new A/C Compressor style/model. This could have been for one plant location or for several plants.

Crazy stuff happens when Manufacturers make mild changes instead of a major facelift or complete new generation change.

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Anyways... There is MY theory.
I am more in agreement with the first thing you said like the old Ford mustang situations where if the factory ran out of a part or option, they made due without it and did not halt production.

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I have a question... Do you have the 2.0 or the 2.1 engine?
2.0
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I looked at honda parts now and saw the ac compressor for the 88/89 Si model was also used with the 90/91 2.1 4ws.
interesting, but mine is plain Jane Si B20A

there is an interesting thing I can add

When I look my engine code.... one of the number codes suggest it was an automatic tran in it's history (B20A-350xxxx). however it is manual now which matches what my VIN codes say... so basically

car was manufactured with standard tran
engine swap to B20A auto tran
tran swap back to manual.....

whaaaaa

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I guess I'll pick up the 89 kit for my car from rockler. anyone use them before? good experience?
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well either way i picked up the '89 AC kit
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Yeah, the Mustang situation is another great example of "Frankensteining".

So, when your mechanic puts in the freon, are you going to do an R134 upgrade or are you going with freeze 12? My A/C blows cool, but not cold so I thinkI need a recharge. The system isn't leaking so I DON'T want to take it apart and ESPECIALLY don't want to retrofit it.
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I had a 66 mustang that was a leftover 65.
For 66 the only change in my particular model was some chrome trim added on the outside. Mine was a stripped down grocery getter with a 6 cylinder and auto tranny. Not even a radio. But did have a cigarrete lighter.
Now on the engine Ford did some upgrades to things like temp and oil sending units. It was sold as a 66 half way through the 65 model year. Ford was proud of their new upgrades and started shipping the 66 early. Why, I don't know. They had already sold nearly a million by then. In the middle of 66 they had sold a million.

By 1988 there weren't a lot of parts left at parts stores for the 65 model. But as luck would have it, on a few occasions I had a 65 part. There was no rhyme or reason to which was what. And Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet. (IBM had, but that's another story)...So there would be times I'd take my little part with me and take home a replacement, while other times it took weeks to run down one through the old telephone method, then have it shipped only to find out it was a 66 part packaged wrong.

Now my second 66 was all 66 produced in late 66 for the mountainous terrain of Colorado. Better brakes, better handling, factory ac and geared for hills, she was fun on the country roads.
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Yeah, the Mustang situation is another great example of "Frankensteining".

So, when your mechanic puts in the freon, are you going to do an R134 upgrade or are you going with freeze 12? My A/C blows cool, but not cold so I thinkI need a recharge. The system isn't leaking so I DON'T want to take it apart and ESPECIALLY don't want to retrofit it.

mine was already retrofitted and according to my mechanic the compressor i had in there was already a reman. the thing i think I understand about the system is that it is "self contained". so if you system is not cold, there is a leak because it supposedly doesn't go bad. the change in the A/C gas I believe was more for an environmental reason. also I don't know how hot it is where you are. but i think the A/C cam do is 15 degrees or so below ambient air temp.

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I had a 66 mustang that was a leftover 65.
For 66 the only change in my particular model was some chrome trim added on the outside. Mine was a stripped down grocery getter with a 6 cylinder and auto tranny. Not even a radio. But did have a cigarrete lighter.
Now on the engine Ford did some upgrades to things like temp and oil sending units. It was sold as a 66 half way through the 65 model year. Ford was proud of their new upgrades and started shipping the 66 early. Why, I don't know. They had already sold nearly a million by then. In the middle of 66 they had sold a million.

By 1988 there weren't a lot of parts left at parts stores for the 65 model. But as luck would have it, on a few occasions I had a 65 part. There was no rhyme or reason to which was what. And Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet. (IBM had, but that's another story)...So there would be times I'd take my little part with me and take home a replacement, while other times it took weeks to run down one through the old telephone method, then have it shipped only to find out it was a 66 part packaged wrong.

Now my second 66 was all 66 produced in late 66 for the mountainous terrain of Colorado. Better brakes, better handling, factory ac and geared for hills, she was fun on the country roads.

wow. man. all that work lol, to find parts. I am sure it was so rewarding though when you finally found it. this is actually bringing up an interesting question I wanted to forward to some of the senior car aficionados (old timers :P).

I am not sure when you bought your 65. but in 88 it was about as old as these cars now. that said, in '88 did the '65 have as much of a following then as it does now. just wondering. Did you keep the car because you really like the design and tradition or were you being practical?
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mine was already retrofitted and according to my mechanic the compressor i had in there was already a reman. the thing i think I understand about the system is that it is "self contained". so if you system is not cold, there is a leak because it supposedly doesn't go bad. the change in the A/C gas I believe was more for an environmental reason. also I don't know how hot it is where you are. but i think the A/C cam do is 15 degrees or so below ambient air temp.




wow. man. all that work lol, to find parts. I am sure it was so rewarding though when you finally found it. this is actually bringing up an interesting question I wanted to forward to some of the senior car aficionados (old timers :P).

I am not sure when you bought your 65. but in 88 it was about as old as these cars now. that said, in '88 did the '65 have as much of a following then as it does now. just wondering. Did you keep the car because you really like the design and tradition or were you being practical?
A retro-fit-ed 3g ac gets plenty cool when it's working right. But sometimes has 'flow' issues that cause it to seem like it's low on gas.

As far as mustangs in 88, not to sound smarty-pants, but they've always been popular. Back then one in good shape could be had for $500-3000 depending on rarity. Fast back were $2-5k.
I stumbled onto the grocery getter through a friend. I still miss that car. Can't say I'll persue one, but if things were right I'd do another one for reasons you cited. Back then you either got oem parts from a dealer, or a junkyard. Repro parts hadn't been invented.

I paid $1450 for my grocery getter. It was minty, but all original. A mega rare Shelby went for like $15-20k. 2 seater t-birds were the high dollar cars back then.

I was young, buying a house, and raising young kids. I could barely afford groceries, and all those original parts didn't play nice daily driving so it stayed broken a lot.

Along came a resto-mod 77 cutlass with about 325 hp and about 7mpg, city or highway. Sold that sucker for financial reasons. Meanwhile the grocery getter had begun disintigrating so I sold it to someone who sold it to get restored. I got an 84 thunderbird with it's big torquey v6 and decent mpg. That car sits under a tree at my brothers house today.

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... I think I understand (that) the system is "self contained". so if your system is not cold, there is a leak because it supposedly doesn't go bad. the change in the A/C gas I believe was more for an environmental reason. also I don't know how hot it is where you are. but i think the A/C cam do is 15 degrees or so below ambient air temp.
I was under the impression that the Frean DOES "go bad" because it is physically converted back and forth between states. At the same time, I totally agree that if there is a leak, the freon will be low, and the performance will be affected. If the condensor in front of the radiator is blocked by road film/debris/bugs, whatever, that affects the cooling. ALSO, if the fan is weak, as those DO wear out, that will cause cooling issues...

Oh damn, I think I just created a list of things I need to check before having my A/C serviced...

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A retro-fit-ed 3g ac gets plenty cool when it's working right. But sometimes has 'flow' issues that cause it to seem like it's low on gas.
Flow issues? Like the freon flowing through the system? When I did the A/C on my Burb, I put a new compressor, dryer, evaporator, and of course the orifice tube "filter". I flushed the whole system with air pressure and denaturalized alcohol (I'm pretty sure that is what I used) and got ALL kinds of "gunk" out of the system. I know some of it was the oil that is put in the system, but there was slimy crap that came out as well. I spent half a day flushing it back and forth. I think I am going to check/do the things above before having the A/C serviced, but I will probably ask one of my buddies who work at a shop to do an evac and refill, since they MAY be able to do it "at cost".
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All I know was when I bought a 91, the po stated the ac system had a blockage.
I had the engine swapped and the system was emptied. One day I'll get around to finding out what clogged means. It's in storage awaiting restoration. In 016 it'll be an antique by va laws and we'll re-register it and put it back on the road then.
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No worries. Just trying to get any and all possible causes of my A/C not working as it should. I know that if the compressor comes apart internally, you can get ball bearings and metal shavings in the system, and that will clog it.

Waiting another year is a good idea to keep from having to do "unnecessary" work to your car. Here in Texas, my 89 is already emissions exempt, but I intend on keeping it just as it is. I do need to replace my pipes from the CAT back and may look into an aftermarket setup, and may get a Hi-Perf CAT to go with it. The muffler shop I use are very good and very resonable in price. They have done exhaust work on pretty much all of my cars so I may have them make the pipes for me.
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No worries. Just trying to get any and all possible causes of my A/C not working as it should. I know that if the compressor comes apart internally, you can get ball bearings and metal shavings in the system, and that will clog it.
I think it is the drier failing that cause ball bearings to go inside the compressor.

UPDATE: finallllllllyyyyy.......the deed is done.

380 in parts (including shipping)
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she blows cold. I can definitely feel the loss of power with the A/C running. sometimes i hear the belt working. not sure how i should feel about that yet. the drier i ordered was different than the one in the car as it did not have an area for a sensor to plug in. so the mechanic closed the circuit as a work around and the new drier was installed. thanks guys.
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Good to hear! Just in time for winter! (Not sure where you are, but it is still hitting the 80's here in Houston so A/C is STILL a must for us) Still need to look into my system.

So, how is the clutch thing coming along?
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I know right. Im further south than you in the sunshine state. So yeah, still a must. For some reason when I got the car back from a valet last night the a/c warning light was on. Which through me off because I forgot what it means. I'll have to open the manual for that. I wonder if it has anything to do with my mechanic jimmy rigging the drier sensor to work. I turn the a/c off then on and it went away. She was blowing cold after that. I don't know what that could have been. A fluke of some kind?
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The control unit is probably looking for a resistance reading other than "shorted" and it may be sensing that. I believe the sensor you are speaking of is a Freon Pressure Sensor and is intended to disable the compressor if the system is low.
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Why would it do that? To stop the compressor from working to hard and wearing out?
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Pretty much... If the freon leaks, the oil inside would leak out as well and cause the internal bearings of the compressor to wear out.
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Pretty much... If the freon leaks, the oil inside would leak out as well and cause the internal bearings of the compressor to wear out.
how fast could that happen? the warning light is kicking on now basically after I turn on the A/C. it will still blow cold but i turn it off before any damage occurs or gets worse. I only got this done less than a week ago. I'm gonna bring it back but I kinda want an idea of what it could be...
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Do you mean that there is a sensor, but it's not plugged in electrically?

OR

Is the sensor not screwed into the dryer because the dryer doesn't have a place for it to screw into?

If the sensor is just hanging, then it's not able to sense the freon pressure and I am assuming that your mechanic probably put a resistor in parallel with the sensor to make the system think that there is pressure there. If that is the case, maybe the resistor doesn't have a solid connection and is causing the A/C light to come on. I really don't think that any damage will occur, You say it is blowing cold so you have freon and oil in the system so I think the system is sensing the incorrect reading from the sensor and THAT is waht is causing the light to come on. Maybe because the belt is slipping you are getting an error message. ??

BTW... Where is the A/C error light? On the dash or on the A/C control unit in the dash? Just curious.
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Do you mean that there is a sensor, but it's not plugged in electrically?

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Is the sensor not screwed into the dryer because the dryer doesn't have a place for it to screw into?

If the sensor is just hanging, then it's not able to sense the freon pressure and I am assuming that your mechanic probably put a resistor in parallel with the sensor to make the system think that there is pressure there. If that is the case, maybe the resistor doesn't have a solid connection and is causing the A/C light to come on. I really don't think that any damage will occur, You say it is blowing cold so you have freon and oil in the system so I think the system is sensing the incorrect reading from the sensor and THAT is waht is causing the light to come on. Maybe because the belt is slipping you are getting an error message. ??

BTW... Where is the A/C error light? On the dash or on the A/C control unit in the dash? Just curious.
the latter. there drier has no place for the sensor to screw into. it is just strange how the a/c warning lights came about. and to answer your last question, the warning light i speak of is located on the A/c button itself and glows red when activated. but back to how the a/c warning lights came about.. at first, it did not come on at all, then it was every now and then. then it became every time i turned on the switch, almost instantly.

i did some checking after i wrote the last paragraph. while my car was parked outside of my apartment, i went to check the most basic thing; to make sure the clutch was engaging. I turned her on, popped the hood and hung my head out the door when i tapped the A/C button. I heard it click i guess. it was some weird awful noise. but eventually it subsided and just became as noisy as the squeaky belt which also eventually calmed down. the interesting part of all this was the A/C warning light never came on. which made me realize it only ever recently came on if i turned on the A/C while driving. so plainly said, in park; no warning light, while driving; warning light. maybe this is insightful?

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the A/C blew cold (though in my opinion the a/c doesn't seem as ice cold as modern cars. would that be a mutual consensus?)
i watched the mechanism and everything looked like it was business as usual.
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Ok, I think before you do any further troubleshooting or spend any money, you need to determine if you just need to tighten the belt or if you need to replace it. A loose belt will squeal and slip and not turn the A/C compressor like it should, which will cause the A/C to not blow as cold as it should. A worn belt (cracked, dry or dry rotted) will continue to slip regardless how much you tighten it and will eventually break and leave you stranded becuase it turns the alternator as well. You should inspect it for cracking or missing chunks out of the ribs. I am also going to suggest that you stay away from the AutoZone belts. Invest the money and buy a Gates. They are WELL worth the money and aren't really that much more than the generic house brands.

Replace that belt and tighten it properly and I almost guarantee that your A/C will blow as cold as it should!
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