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hole going through the bottom of the trunk

I meant to address this earlier.

When I went to go lift the spare tire out of it's little compartment I noticed a beam of light shining through the floor. so yeah... it's a small hole but how should I take care of it?
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Re: hole going through the bottom of the trunk

It's a drain hole? If it's too unsightly for you just use a rubber grommet
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It's a drain hole? If it's too unsightly for you just use a rubber grommet
I'll take a second look.. but from my memory it looks like a crumbly hole
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Re: hole going through the bottom of the trunk

If it's rusted through, the only real way to permanently fix it is to cut out the corrosion and weld in a new section of sheet metal to patch the hole. Then primer and paint to keep it from rusting out again.
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Re: hole going through the bottom of the trunk

Can I use a 20 dollar setup to accomplish this? Can I do this without the car being on a lift. I guess I could weld the piece in from the inside. Ive haven't done this kind of job before but kind of always harboured a curiosity to try it
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I'm not familiar with the 20 dollar setup. As far as welding it in, you could weld it from either side. You'll want to be sure to cut out all the bad metal around the hole, then make a patch that will fit in the section you cut out, and weld the new metal in it's place. In other words, you don't want to just overlap a patch over the top. You'll get rust in between the two layers of metal and it won't last as long because it will quickly start to rust from the inside.
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I'm not familiar with the 20 dollar setup. As far as welding it in, you could weld it from either side. You'll want to be sure to cut out all the bad metal around the hole, then make a patch that will fit in the section you cut out, and weld the new metal in it's place. In other words, you don't want to just overlap a patch over the top. You'll get rust in between the two layers and it won't last as long.
So it basically has to be a perfect fit? The twenty dollar setup is the cheapest torch you can by at home depot I think... im ignorant on these things, so will that not work?
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Re: hole going through the bottom of the trunk

You won't be able to weld or cut with one of those propane torches. Those are mainly used to heat metal enough to be able to bend it. Do you have an angle grinder and any scrap metal? Cause if you don't have a MIG or ARC welder, you will probably be better off cutting the cancer out, making a patch, and either just RTV-ing the patch in place, or better yet, using a rivet gun to rivet the patch in place. You can drill holes and use nuts and bolts as well, not as clean, but hey, it's in the trunk and not likely to be seen.
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You'll want to be sure to cut out all the bad metal around the hole, then make a patch that will fit in the section you cut out...

...In other words, you don't want to just overlap a patch over the top. You'll get rust in between the two layers of metal and it won't last as long because it will quickly start to rust from the inside.
If you cut all the cancer out, primer and paint all the bare metal on the body AND the patch piece, it shouldn't rust. Just be sure to use some QUALITY paint, like Krylon with the rust inhibitor in it. It's like $6 a can, but you'll only need 2 cans. I would use a primer and a color with primer in it. That way, you know the bare metal is sealed.

Also, be sure that each coat is completely dry before spraying the next coat. Otherwise, it can gum up and won't seal right.
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So it basically has to be a perfect fit? The twenty dollar setup is the cheapest torch you can by at home depot I think... im ignorant on these things, so will that not work?
No, it doesn't have to be a perfect fit. You can fill in small gaps when you weld it. Basically, after cutting out the corrosion, place a piece of cardboard behind the hole and trace the shape of the hole onto it. Cut out that piece of cardboard to use for a template to cut the new metal to fit the hole.

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If you cut all the cancer out, primer and paint all the bare metal on the body AND the patch piece, it shouldn't rust. Just be sure to use some QUALITY paint, like Krylon with the rust inhibitor in it. It's like $6 a can, but you'll only need 2 cans. I would use a primer and a color with primer in it. That way, you know the bare metal is sealed.

Also, be sure that each coat is completely dry before spraying the next coat. Otherwise, it can gum up and won't seal right.
Actually, this is not true Tony. The heat from welding will blast away the primer, and it will rust out eventually. The exception to this is if you use weld through primer. The heat from welding melts the primer, allowing it to flow into the weld instead of being blown away.

When I say it will rust, I'm talking about a period of several years before you will see any. Any repair will eventually rust. But patching over like that will rust long before the other method.
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Oh yeah, I don't think there is ANY paint that can stand up to welding. It'd have to be painted/sealed AFTER the welding was complete. I'm not familiar with the "weld through" primer. Going to have to look into this!

And to clarify what I said about the primer and painting, I forgot to specify that I was referring to using a Non-weld means of patching the hole. I don't think he has access to a welder so I was suggesting this as an alternative until/if he got a chance to properly fix it. (That's what I get for trying to rush posting my comments! Sorry about that!)

I also forgot to include that should he choose to do a non-welded patch, he should put some RTV between the patch and the parameter of the hole before riveting/bolting the patch in place. The riveting/bolting force alone will not completely seal the hole.

This is NOT my preferred method but if he is getting moisture in the trunk, then this could be used as a quick fix until a more permanant fix can be made.

I TOTALLY agree with what you guys said in regards to welding in a patch.
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Well in that case, you're right LOL. You would definitely want to overlap the metal if you're planning to rivet or glue it in. It would probably be sufficient to seal the spare tire well using that method.
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Re: hole going through the bottom of the trunk

Yeah, just to keep the moisture and road-debris out, your misc stuff in and to at least slow the rot.

I figured the more options are given, the better choices he'll have.

So... Whatcha think alleywayriqashay?
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Locktite makes a mighty fine rust convertor.

My son has a quarter size rust spot on both rear wheel wells of his 93 and same on the passenger side of his 91. Basically we cleaned off the loose stuff and sprayed each spot with the lock tite. He reapplies about every 100 days or so and the decay has been abated since it's first application. That was like 2 years ago.
Best part is, it's paintable.

OGSMAKDADE told me about it for my 5th gen. I sprayed a spot one time and a couple years later, no change in decay size.

Also mentioned in this post the krylon is a fantastic coating for inhibiting rust. I use it on rusty screws and brackets with great success.

About 10 years ago my dad bought some cast iron clothes line poles. They were brown and mill scale rust had begun to set in. I gave them a quick wire brush and brushed on 2 coats of krylon oil based. To this day they are still rust free. But the spray on is pretty good too.
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Yeah, just to keep the moisture and road-debris out, your misc stuff in and to at least slow the rot.

I figured the more options are given, the better choices he'll have.

So... Whatcha think alleywayriqashay?
I appreciate it fellas. you right. i have no access to cool guy welding equipment so it will have to be cold welding for me.

I don't have a way of cutting out the rot at this this moment.

so maybe I'll spray it with krylon for now and jb-weld a piece of sheet metal over it until I can fix it a different way..?

on an unrelated note;

I thought I'd share a little something that happened with me the yesterday.

Office happy hour thing at a restaurant, woopty do. I go... ****... all the self parking is grabbed up. only option is valet.. mind you.. my car is missing paint, has dings in the body and the kind of rims that should have hubcaps over them but don't. So I bring it to the guy. get my ticket, go inside, tell a co-worker i just valeted a 1500 dollar car and we laugh. I really didn't want to valet also because I had no cash on me to tip the guy, the rest was complimentary because there parking lot is uniquely fked. so my co-worker gives me a dollar to barrow to put in the guys hand. I leave after a few people and am waiting for my car. the valet are scurrying about as business picks up and I figured out where they take the return cars just as mine pulls up. I walk over and the guy waits by my car and the first thing he says is.. "how many miles". I laughed because i was trying to remember. I gave him somewhere in the range of 140,000 miles. the guy couldn't help but to spend a moment talking to me about the car. he had one too he said, it was fking awesome, and I agreed. they just keep going! he said he only had to sell his car because he had a baby. at 175k miles all he ever had to do was change the oil, tires, and brakes. ha!! just thought I'd share that ownership pride with you all.
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I appreciate it fellas. you right. i have no access to cool guy welding equipment so it will have to be cold welding for me.

I don't have a way of cutting out the rot at this this moment.

so maybe I'll spray it with krylon for now and jb-weld a piece of sheet metal over it until I can fix it a different way..?

on an unrelated note;

I thought I'd share a little something that happened with me the yesterday.

Office happy hour thing at a restaurant, woopty do. I go... ****... all the self parking is grabbed up. only option is valet.. mind you.. my car is missing paint, has dings in the body and the kind of rims that should have hubcaps over them but don't. So I bring it to the guy. get my ticket, go inside, tell a co-worker i just valeted a 1500 dollar car and we laugh. I really didn't want to valet also because I had no cash on me to tip the guy, the rest was complimentary because there parking lot is uniquely fked. so my co-worker gives me a dollar to barrow to put in the guys hand. I leave after a few people and am waiting for my car. the valet are scurrying about as business picks up and I figured out where they take the return cars just as mine pulls up. I walk over and the guy waits by my car and the first thing he says is.. "how many miles". I laughed because i was trying to remember. I gave him somewhere in the range of 140,000 miles. the guy couldn't help but to spend a moment talking to me about the car. he had one too he said, it was fking awesome, and I agreed. they just keep going! he said he only had to sell his car because he had a baby. at 175k miles all he ever had to do was change the oil, tires, and brakes. ha!! just thought I'd share that ownership pride with you all.
You are very welcome! Glad to help!

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finally found that locite stuff. i guess i could have just asked here but i was trying to find it at the auto stores as i found the time. on my trip to home depot for some other things i decided to look for that as well. bam, right there with the adhesives, in the paint section. applied a coat of that stuff. looks like it needs 24 hours. i guess i feel good enough to put a spare wheel down in there after it dries up. i just need to find one.

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