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I swapped out my coil and plug wires. Cleaned roter and cap. And it's crank and crank and souls like its about to start but won't start. And the battery keeps draining.
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Are you getting any spark at the end of your wires while you crank?Hold it close to a piece of metal (As close as you can) and have someone watch for spark while you crank it. In the dark is better. That'll clear up any spark question. Might then wanna look at the fuel like, Is the pump pumping? By the way, When you turn your key to ON, Does the check engine light go out like it's supposed to? When it does, It sends voltage to the fuel pump but that doesn't always mean the pump is good. Was this car even running before you posted this question?
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Yes the car was running really well then just died.
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Re: Still no start

Please answer the other questions that Les asked you, not just the last one. We can't really help you without more information. At this point, all we know is that it was running before it died, and the engine cranks over but will not start. Not a lot to go on. From what you've told us so far I'd suspect that your timing belt broke. Answering Les's questions could eliminate that as a possibility. An engine needs three things to run...air/fuel mixture, compression, and spark. If you are missing any of these it won't run.
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Ok, there is a spark.
I can't remember if the check engine light came on. But now the battery is completely drained. I have a friend coming over in the next couple days to help me check if it's a fuel issue.
When the car died I was at a red light, as I went to go the car kinda rattled and just died.
I did find a crack in the exhaust.
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We're trying to help you so in the future, Don't wait 18 days to reply. Unless you're working on this car at your leisure. Just let us know.
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Yeah sorry it took so long, have a lot going on
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sounds like a fuel issue then, if you got spark, and you probably got air, you need some gas in dat bish
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But is the gas spraying into the cylinders and in the correct amount? If so then the next thing you need to check is your timing. You will have to take the valve cover off to see the marks on the cam gears. Check out the online manual to see the specifics, but basically you are going to make sure the cam gears and the timing mark on the flywheel are all aligned properly.
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If it was the timing would there have been some sort of sound when the belt snaped?
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I'd get someone under the gas tank to hear if the pump is working. Like I said, When you turn the key to ON, The check engine light should go out after a few seconds. That then sends voltage to the fuel pump but it also doesn't mean the fuel pump is good. If the check engine light doesn't go off then it's the main relay.If the belt snapped then you wouldn't get spark cause then the distrbutor wouldn't spin.Hope it isn't a clogged fuel filter or water in the fuel. Have you taken out the plugs after cranking to see if they are wet with fuel?
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If it was the timing would there have been some sort of sound when the belt snaped?
The belt doesn't have to snap for the timing to be off... It can jump a tooth, but I'm not sure how many it'd have to be off before the piston hits the valve. Mark the position on the distributor first, then, as someone is cranking the car, try turning the distributor forward slowly all the way and then go backward all the way...
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I'd get someone under the gas tank to hear if the pump is working. Like I said, When you turn the key to ON, The check engine light should go out after a few seconds. That then sends voltage to the fuel pump but it also doesn't mean the fuel pump is good. If the check engine light doesn't go off then it's the main relay.If the belt snapped then you wouldn't get spark cause then the distrbutor wouldn't spin.Hope it isn't a clogged fuel filter or water in the fuel. Have you taken out the plugs after cranking to see if they are wet with fuel?
Yeah, but check THIS ^^^ first...

Once you verify that your fuel pump is indeed running when you turn the key on, You can also borrow a fuel pressure gauge from most of the local auto parts stores to see if you are getting pressure. I was getting some funky stuff happening while I was driving cause the hose that connects the fuel pump to the outlet tube was kinda dry rotted. If you have never changed it, then its possible that yours could be too. Check the pressure first before removing the fuel pump assembly.
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If it was the timing would there have been some sort of sound when the belt snaped?
You don't normally hear the timing belt itself when it breaks, but you definitely hear the engine stop running lol. Also, after the belt breaks, it sounds different than normal when cranking the engine while trying to start. It may spin much faster than normal. It will also sound different while cranking if the belt has slipped.

Just for the record, I had a timing belt slip 270 degrees once on a b21a1. I thought the belt had broken because the engine just died. It sounded different than normal when I tried to start it back up. After towing it home, I checked to see if the distributor was still turning while cranking the engine (a quick way to see if the belt is broken). Since the distributor was turning I figured the timing belt was fine. I removed the valve cover to check the cam to crank timing and that's when I saw that the belt had slipped. A piece of the (damaged) timing cover had gotten into the timing belt and it slipped on the crank gear. After I installed a new belt the engine started with no issues. Talk about lucky! I have no idea how I got away with that one and had no bent valves.

I guess my point here is that you can sometimes hear a difference when the engine cranks when there is a timing belt issue. But the best way to see if there is a problem with the timing belt is to remove the valve cover and/or timing belt covers.

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The belt doesn't have to snap for the timing to be off... It can jump a tooth, but I'm not sure how many it'd have to be off before the piston hits the valve. Mark the position on the distributor first, then, as someone is cranking the car, try turning the distributor forward slowly all the way and then go backward all the way...
I know for sure that one tooth won't cause bent valves. I've had that while installing the timing belt. Hell...after what happened to me (described above), I have no idea how many teeth the belt can slip before it will bend valves.
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If you are getting spark and are curious, Rotate your crank (counterclockwise)till both cam sprockets have the arrows pointing up. Then look at the flywheel TDC mark (white line) and it Should be lined up with the timing mark.If it is, You're o.k. but if not then you might have jumped a tooth or two. If it is o.k. then I still say it's a fuel issue. Good luck! Gotta take off the valve cover for this check.

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I know for sure that one tooth won't cause bent valves. I've had that while installing the timing belt. Hell...after what happened to me (described above), I have no idea how many teeth the belt can slip before it will bend valves.
I bet 180 would do the trick!

But seriously, a pebble of significant size between the belt and crank pulley could cause the belt to jump a tooth or two, and then the car might not crank due to lack of compression...

SO... after all we have shared here, NwNate, you have a few things to check.
  1. Make sure you have fuel flow and pressure. Once that is verified,
  2. Make sure your timing is right. Pull off the valve cover, rotate the arrows on the cam gears upwards and then check to make sure the pointer and TDC Mark on the flywheel are lined up. If so,
  3. You may need to check your compression. It wouldn't hurt to pull the spark plugs out and take a look at them. See if they are wet, dirty, bent, burned etc. Google Images can help some with diagnosis... Or post pictures here.

That should get you going in the right direction. Hope you can get it up and running again soon cause you are missing out on a LOT of fun driving!
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I bet 180 would do the trick!
I would agree with that if mine hadn't slipped more than 180 degrees on my b21a1.
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It went more than 180 and didn't bend a valve! MAN! You DID get lucky! Both cams must have stopped right where the valves were positioned so that 2 sets were all the way up and the other 2 were one on their way up and the other on the way down! There's no other explanation for it!
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That's the thing though, the engine stopped running but it didn't stop turning until I pushed the clutch in. Then I tried to restart it, so the valve train was still turning during that as well. It had to have slipped to a point where the valves were still clearing the pistons, even though the timing was about 270 degrees off. I was in disbelief when it started right up after installing a new timing belt. So much so that I did a compression test just to make sure that everything was good. Compression was excellent across the board...something in the neighborhood of a low of 175 psi to a high of 180 psi. I kept the piece of the timing cover that had caused the belt to slip. And I learned never to use a damaged timing cover LOL.
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Alright as soon as I get some time il check the timing. Il post back when I do
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So he's either getting spark at the wrong time or no gas in the cylinders. Beginning to look like it is something beyond the basic 4 necessities to run...

Is it possible for one of the Sensors that the ECU needs has gone bad? Maybe the EGR is stuck open? He could have a serious vacuum leak?
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I had a massive leak once cause my intake gasket wasn't tight enough and it idled at 5000 rpms. It should at least start and run Before it dies like an open egr would do. It's either timing, Fuel issue or possibly an ecu. My guess.Who really knows at this moment?
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True that on the vacuum leak. Guess we'll have to wait and see. We gave him PLENTY of things to in the meantime.
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Forgot to mention when I did the coil and wires I checked the cap and roter both were pretty coroted so I took a wire brush to them.shoud I change them? Could that be the problem?
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Definitly change those if you have an extra say $40...
Don't know that it would cause the no start thing though.

Take off your air cleaner and look inside the throttle body for soot. Sometimes build up causes issues like dies at a red light and won't start or hard to start.

I'm thinking like a carberator thing here Les.. lack of 'suction'...

Have you tried a spritz of starting fluid?
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Re: Still no start

He's getting spark he said, so the rotor and cap are working but new ones would be better.I've had plugs foul out either from fuel or oil and ,I'd still take a look at those right after you crank it. Take a sniff and Hopefully you smell fresh fuel.
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