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So I have been having trouble with my gauges. I have an 88 prelude si 2.0 4ws. My tachometer and temp gauge are not working at all. They did work for a little bit off and on but now there's nothing. There were some other problems such as the radio, cruise control, starter, fuel gauge ect ect that would randomly have power at the fuse box and then not and then have power again . Well a new main relay and ignition switch fixed most of the problems, now the only issues left are the temp gauge, and tachometer not showing any readings. Which I could live with for now if the cooling fans were still coming on like they need to be(having to jump the connector for the switch at the bottom of the radiator for now) . So my main question is, if I just install an aftermarket gauge and fan controller would there be problems in the ecu? I mean would the computer think the engine temp is zero degrees and choke the motor and dump more fuel in it? I have searched like crazy looking for answers but haven't been very successful. I did just get this car and it had been sitting for a little over a year so I know it's going to need some tlc but I love this car already! I can't wait to get it going smooth so i can really enjoy it. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

Electrical problems can be the most annoying things to troubleshoot. But usually the easiest to fix once you figure out the problem.

First of all, check to see if you have any stored codes. You can have a code stored even if the check engine light is not on.

The temp sensor for the gauge is located in the coolant neck, near the thermostat. It's the small sensor with the single wire connected to it. Try replacing that before you go with an aftermarket setup.

As far as the coolant fans go, why not just replace the fan switch in the bottom of the radiator instead of adding an aftermarket fan controller?

I don't think the ecu would force the engine to go into limp mode as long as you don't have a cel. But I haven't tried so I can't say for sure.

Sorry, I haven't had to troubleshoot the tachometer. It's not a common problem so I can't remember reading much about anyone having issues with that. Maybe try another gauge cluster. I grabbed a spare from the junkyard for just this type of troubleshooting. I think it was about $15 at my local junkyard.
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

Have you got a repair manual?

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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

So the problem isn't the gauge? Definitely look through the electrical diagrams, I learnt heaps about them whilst trying a 4th gen fuel/temp in a 3rd gen. Ohhhhh to dream
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

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First of all, check to see if you have any stored codes. You can have a code stored even if the check engine light is not on.
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Just checked, code 6 coolant temp sensor :) hopefully that's the problem!
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

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Have you got a repair manual?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/93tl5c8r2992r5g/7KMwXSG10V

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Yeah I have the Haynes manual but its very vauge and non of the wiring diagrams seem to apply to mine. Thanks I'm downloading the manuals now.
A mechanic friend of mine printed me many pages of wiring diagrams which have been very helpful.

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So the problem isn't the gauge? Definitely look through the electrical diagrams, I learnt heaps about them whilst trying a 4th gen fuel/temp in a 3rd gen. Ohhhhh to dream
It could be... I took the cluster out and to my mechanic friend and he doesn't think it's bad, the boards all look fine, not burnt but it still could be bad. Yeah I have bonded quite well with my prelude chasing all these wires, hours of fun lol
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

Ok so i decided to look everything over another time and found the wire to the temp sensor was brittle and broke when I disconnected the plug. And I also tested the ohms on the blue and the yellow sensor on the thermostat housing. I did this with the plugs disconnected and I'm reading a very inconsistent, fluctuating 150-190 ohms on the yellow sensor and a consistent 0 oh.ms for the blue. They should be between 200 and 400 ohms right? Does it sound like they both are bad? What are the odds of almost if not all the temp sensors going bad at the same time? I wonder if something g serious shorted out in this car and blew a bunch of this stuff. Several fuses, main relay, ignition switch, most of these temp sensors/switch, and whatever up with the tach.
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

Well I decided to go get all the coolant sensors. Did that and put them on and repaired the connector but still no temp gauge. So I bought a cheap temp gauge and just have the switch plug jumped so the fan comes on when the key is on. This will get me by for now. But I found out that the guy who had it before me me hooked jumper cables up backwards trying either jump start it or another vehicle :/ so at least that explains why so many fuses, the main relay and so many sensors were fried. I just hope there's a light at the end of this tunnel.
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

Keep at it bro you seem to know what your doing unlike the last owner
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Thanks B20Ballin, this car is so fun and I like everything about it so much I would hate to give up. I'll post any success I hopefully will have with it
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

Maybe it's something simple like a connection.
Did you disconnect the battery after installing your new parts?

My son disconnects whenever he replaces parts that the ecu might know about so it's already re-booted when he's done.
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

Yeah I disconnected it but I'm still getting the code 6. And right now the fuel gauge has joined the tach and temp gauge in not working. It had been working the other day. It's kinda how everything else that quit had been, working off and on for a bit then finally quitting all together. Maybe it's a shared ground wire that shorted out or broke? Everything else in the cluster works fine as far as I can tell but I'm still going to get an extra just to make sure. As far as how the car runs, its alot better now after installing the sensors, new thermostat, and bleeding out the coolant system. Seems like the idle is down to where it should be now.
Thanks for all the help everyone! The hunt continues!... I think I'm gonna need new batteries for my multi meter lol
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

Well I had some major electrical problems today about an hour ago...I was driving to the store and the gauges, wipers, lights, everything electronic started flickering and then the car died. Now I'm still on the main road about to turn into the grocery store parking lot and this all happens within 4 seconds, it starts smoking laroind the hood just around the battery. I roll in the parking lot, pop the hood and jump out and grabbed some tin snips from the trunk and cut the ground wire at the battery, no time to find a wrench and take it loose because there's still smoke rolling from the ground wire and around the battery. Anyways that stopped the short from doing any more damage.

The first thing I did is grab my multi meter and start inspecting. So I have 12v on everything! The block, the body, and pretty much every wire in every connector.

Now I disconnected the starter wire and had only the one wire to the under hood fuse/relay box behind the battery hooked up to the battery, and the battery ground is cut and have the meter checking for voltage on the block. It read over 12 volts. So I started talking fuses and relays out one at a time to see if anything changed. Well the clock fuse made the voltage on the engine block drop to 10 volts when I removed it(forgot to mention that the first thing I did was check every fuse and relay under hood and dash) but even when I had every fuse and relay removed from that box(there's not a single thing in it) only have the one post battery wire connected to it, and that is the only source of power, I'm still reading 10 volts to the engine block, ground wire, everything. I disconnected everything from under the hood starting with the alternate because I have had one short out and send 12v to the block on a civic I had, but nothing made a difference. So I think that that fuse box by the battery is fried. And possibly the ecu and potentially alot of other expensive stuff this really stinks, I hope it's not beyond the point of reasonably fixing. I have to tow it home tomorrow to continue investigating. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated
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Re: 88 si temp gauge question....

So here you are stranded at a grocery store with your battery ready to explode, you have the wits to cut the ground wire, then start checking your voltage...

You da man!!!

Hope you find the issue soon.

I wonder if your alternator is wacking out.. regulator type thing.
I realize you get volts with no ground and car not running... but...
Never mind I aint got a dam clue what it could be. Sorry.
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Lol thanks. Hey sometimes you never know what your gonna do when something crazy like that happens till it happens. I am just glad the battery didn't explode, if it had been leaking, spewing battery acid out I probably would have just ran lol.
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Well I had some major electrical problems today about an hour ago...I was driving to the store and the gauges, wipers, lights, everything electronic started flickering and then the car died. Now I'm still on the main road about to turn into the grocery store parking lot and this all happens within 4 seconds, it starts smoking laroind the hood just around the battery. I roll in the parking lot, pop the hood and jump out and grabbed some tin snips from the trunk and cut the ground wire at the battery, no time to find a wrench and take it loose because there's still smoke rolling from the ground wire and around the battery. Anyways that stopped the short from doing any more damage.

The first thing I did is grab my multi meter and start inspecting. So I have 12v on everything! The block, the body, and pretty much every wire in every connector.

Now I disconnected the starter wire and had only the one wire to the under hood fuse/relay box behind the battery hooked up to the battery, and the battery ground is cut and have the meter checking for voltage on the block. It read over 12 volts. So I started talking fuses and relays out one at a time to see if anything changed. Well the clock fuse made the voltage on the engine block drop to 10 volts when I removed it(forgot to mention that the first thing I did was check every fuse and relay under hood and dash) but even when I had every fuse and relay removed from that box(there's not a single thing in it) only have the one post battery wire connected to it, and that is the only source of power, I'm still reading 10 volts to the engine block, ground wire, everything. I disconnected everything from under the hood starting with the alternate because I have had one short out and send 12v to the block on a civic I had, but nothing made a difference. So I think that that fuse box by the battery is fried. And possibly the ecu and potentially alot of other expensive stuff this really stinks, I hope it's not beyond the point of reasonably fixing. I have to tow it home tomorrow to continue investigating. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated
Sorry, but I'm having a hard time following your troubleshooting. You can't accurately measure voltage when the negative wire has been cut. You don't have a reference, so anything you measure isn't a true voltage reading when you have an open circuit. Things can float to different voltage levels.

Whatever shorted to ground has to be on a circuit not protected by a fuse, and the only circuit I know of off the top of my head is the positive battery cable that goes to the starter. I'm pretty sure everything else is protected (I could be wrong on that though). It shouldn't be too hard to see what got hot, since it will probably be scorched black, lol. An accurate wiring diagram would be invaluable for this.
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Whatever shorted to ground has to be on a circuit not protected by a fuse, and the only circuit I know of off the top of my head is the positive battery cable that goes to the starter. I'm pretty sure everything else is protected (I could be wrong on that though). It shouldn't be too hard to see what got hot, since it will probably be scorched black, lol. An accurate wiring diagram would be invaluable for this.
Ok thanks. Yeah I didn't think about it being an open circuit. The only wire that is obviously fried is the battery ground wire, it's all there except that the rubber melted off of it. But so far none of the other wires look burnt in any way. Hopefully that's a good sign.

Fortunately I do have some good wire diagrams for this car which have been very helpful, I just didn't have them with me then. I'll hopefully have time to get it home and mess with it some more tomorrow
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Thank you Luzer! Dropped by the prelude this morning before work and the starter is definitely the problem, everything else works fine without the starter hooked up =) picking one up this aftermoon
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Glad I could help out. It's not common for a starter to short out like that, but it's the only thing that made sense.
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Thank you Luzer! Dropped by the prelude this morning before work and the starter is definitely the problem, everything else works fine without the starter hooked up =) picking one up this aftermoon
Hey i just had the same problem with my tacometer and my temp gauge it was working when i got home from work and when i was about to leave to the gym neither were working, how did you check if your starter was bad? And when you replaced it did your gauges started working as well?
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Let me know when you get back to troubleshooting that Tach. My Speedometer was intermittently working and it ended up being the connector on the back of it had pins with bad solder joints. The Tach may be having the same issue. Check out my Speedometer Fix link to see what I did, pictures included.

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