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Future Mods

Interior:
  • Paint red interior pieces blue
  • grease &tighten up shifter, maybe design a short shifter
  • new sony head unit
  • speaker/amp rewire
  • new pedals
  • Full clean/detail
  • 2 Rockford Fosgate P3 10's
  • custom fiber glass enclosure

Exterior:
  • Paint Gunmetal grey/dark graphite two tone
  • My dads old rims and new set of maxxis vectra rubber

Engine Bay
  • valve cover paint- Grabber Green
  • Exhaust manifold shield paint- Grabber Green
  • Clean up & tuck random wires and other random ****

Other
  • Oil change/filter
  • Full coolent flush
  • brake pads/ rotor resurface
  • brake fluid flush/bleed
  • plugs, wires, cap & rotor
  • air filter
  • fuel filter

Performance
  • CAI
  • Pacesetter Headers/ exhaust magnaflow muffler
  • custom front and rear STB Custom A & C pillar bars
  • Blisten Shocks/struts 1" lowering springs

Current specs
  • horse Power: 145 (want to get it dyno tested, i think it has way more then that)
  • Wheight: idk need to google it
  • Engine: 2.1L B21A1 DOHC
  • Compression 1-225 2-220 3-220 4-220

alright so i guess its time to start documenting everything, i know there are people who enjoy reading nice informative build threads so i thought i would start mine for all the enjoy! its going to be slow, mainly because im a broke ass teenager lol, it will be slow from now till sometime after christmas, not to mention i dont think its stoped raining in three weeks, its just my luck that when i get my first car (not technically first, but im counting it as first since i never drove my truck) either way i got this thing just in the nick of time for fall and winter (yea you winter)



either way on with the tale of my prelude. first of, this is her in all her flat black debadged mixed match tire beauty



other then the bad paint this thing is amazingly clean, theres one area of body damage on the passenger side rear quarterpanel that is an easy fix, the interior is spotless, no odd smells, no stains, only one small rip in the drivers seat that i could repair, no cracks in the dash, no nothing the only real mess is some pine needles from my feet haha.

first thing i did was install my sub amps and speakers, ill get a pic uploaded when i get home, but its a messy install, not very much of it is permanent just my temp system for now, i did not have enough wire to properly do everything so its ghetto for now till after xmas and i clean it all up.

(picture coming in literally an hour or two)

then came the bad. havent owned her for more then two weeks, i hadent even gotten her under my name and new tags yet and she broke down, took me a week of tinkering and testing to come to the conclusion that its my fuel pump, (when i get that there will be a whole other thread on how to replace it) to right now she sits, while i make big plans and tinker with things.

i was going to add in my big list of future mods here but ill add it up to the top^^^^^

will post way more in like an hour when i get home/take pictures and stuff



those are my soon to be new rims, got it mounted to make sure there was no rubing, its flat due to 4 years if not being used, that tire has maybe 150 miles on it

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Re: The Beginning of the End of my Wallet- 1990 prelude Si Build thread!

Can't wait to see the progress on this. But don't be upset when your car makes WAY less than its advertised power rating. Just remember that 140hp is to the crank and it loses a good percentage of power by the time it reaches the wheels
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Can't wait to see the progress on this. But don't be upset when your car makes WAY less than its advertised power rating. Just remember that 140hp is to the crank and it loses a good percentage of power by the time it reaches the wheels
i wont, but with my compression ratings and other signs around the bay im pretty sure the engine was previously built for a high compression N/A setup
so im quite curious to know what its pushing, plus ive driven a friends 90 si and his does not get up and go like mine does... so its caused large sum of curiousity
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Re: The Beginning of the End of my Wallet- 1990 prelude Si Build thread!

update: my dad is getting my fuel pump for me this week sometime, so be on the look out for a write up on the replacement of it to be up this weekend.

Update: weather reports say dry friday and saturday so wil be doing fuel pump and probably my valve cover! excited to get my baby back on her feet!

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Are you positive its the fuel pump and not the main relay??
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and 140 on a stock motor thats 20 years old, i wanna say maybe around 110-120 range
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Are you positive its the fuel pump and not the main relay??
im pretty sure, the pump dosnt even kick on anymore, it would weakly kick on then die, and it finally stoped. it would run at idle, then the minute i made it demand more fuel it died probably due to the fact it couldent keep up with demand.
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and 140 on a stock motor thats 20 years old, i wanna say maybe around 110-120 range
like i said, if i had compression that reflected the fact that my motor was 20 years old i might believe that, idk if you paid attention to what i said but my stock one is much faster then my friends 1991 Si, and he has a CAI and a few other mods. and mine is undeniably faster then his and it pisses him off because he put so much money into his and mines stock lol plus cars DO NOT loose that much power over time, yes there is power loss but not 20-30HP thats just crazy.
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like i said, if i had compression that reflected the fact that my motor was 20 years old i might believe that, idk if you paid attention to what i said but my stock one is much faster then my friends 1991 Si, and he has a CAI and a few other mods. and mine is undeniably faster then his and it pisses him off because he put so much money into his and mines stock lol plus cars DO NOT loose that much power over time, yes there is power loss but not 20-30HP thats just crazy.
honestly, it's not just compression but everything inside your drive train. Congrats its faster than a 91si he's lost the same amount of power as you if not more depending on how bad its been racecar'd. The original, sticker hp numbers were not based to the wheel and sometimes a rough estimation. But if your whip is making 140hp to the wheels i wanna see some numbers
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Re: The Beginning of the End of my Wallet- 1990 prelude Si Build thread!

i know compression isnt every thing, and i know that 140 is not at the wheels im not expecting 140, im also not expecting 20-30 less. and his had a stock rebuild like 3 years ago its really really nice and well taken care of and his last dyno tune put him at 162 hp.... so idk, im not going to say anything for sure, and im not going to get my hopes up but im looking forward to getting my car on a dyno and seeing what it says. BUT more importantly im looking forward to getting her running again.
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and his had a stock rebuild like 3 years ago its really really nice and well taken care of and his last dyno tune put him at 162 hp....
Someone is not being honest about his dyno numbers. A CAI and a a few other mods? What are those "few other mods"? A stock 91 Si, brand new, would probably have dyno'd at around 115-120 whp. As a rule of thumb, you will loose approximately 15% of your horsepower in the drive train. So your 140 hp rated lude would have made no more than 120 hp to the wheels (if that even) when new. To get 162 whp out of a naturally aspirated 3rd gen would take a ton mods and cash.

Look, I'm not bashing on you. I just want you to have a realistic expectation of what you will see.
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Re: The Beginning of the End of my Wallet- 1990 prelude Si Build thread!

alright, lets get back on topic, whatever my HP is idc whatever his is idc, it dosnt matter the current specs i litterally just copied out of a brochure from the 90's i found somewhere on the internet it really dosnt matter, eitherway back to the actual build because im doin stuff today,

so i woke up late this morning so did my mom, she decided work was more important (witch i think it is since im going to be droping out soon...) so i got to stay home and since im home im going to be working on getting my exhaust manifold cover painted, id do my valve cover but its raining and i dont want to take it off with it raining.


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so work didnt get done since it started raining as i posted, and yea droping out, im a senior, i need 15 credits, and i dont want to be a super senior, im getting my ged in like two weeks then going to pcc for either automotive repair, or computer engineering, and if i go with the later i would be transfering from pcc to go to portland state university to finish said path, droping out really isnt going to affect me, with my sat/act scores i could still go to harverd if i wanted to but i dont.
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SHE RUNS!!!!! SHE RUNS!!!! MY BABY RUNS!! I CANT WAIT TO DRIVE HER TOMORROW!!!!!!!
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Glad to hear that. What did you have to do to get her running?
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Glad to hear that. What did you have to do to get her running?
pulled out the main relay. melted/added solder to each pin on the board, cliped it back in, turned the key and *click* *HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM* the magical sound of my fuel pump. now today i have to charge my battery, put my new plugs/air/fuel filter on and drive her :D i cant wait to get home from school!
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pulled out the main relay. melted/added solder to each pin on the board, cliped it back in, turned the key and *click* *HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM* the magical sound of my fuel pump. now today i have to charge my battery, put my new plugs/air/fuel filter on and drive her :D i cant wait to get home from school!
Excellent!! Have a nice drive.
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SHE RUNS!!!!! SHE RUNS!!!! MY BABY RUNS!! I CANT WAIT TO DRIVE HER TOMORROW!!!!!!!
So I reiterate what I asked you earlier,
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im pretty sure, the pump dosnt even kick on anymore, it would weakly kick on then die, and it finally stoped. it would run at idle, then the minute i made it demand more fuel it died probably due to the fact it couldent keep up with demand.
You need to edit your post at the very beginning to state what your issues was, and then post what the solution was and show some gratitude to the people who helped you along the way.

Its the right thing to do, as well as it will really help all the newbies after you when they pull a search on the same issue.

PS. You might want to edit both your threads: LUZER HELP, lol but seriously need your help.
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alright, i owe 1funyrd credit for mentioning the main relay, to bad that wasnt it and it still does not run, i got ahead of myself last night just assuming that because my fuel pump started to kick on that my car would start. ****s ****ed and im back to square one.
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alright, i owe 1funyrd credit for mentioning the main relay, to bad that wasnt it and it still does not run, i got ahead of myself last night just assuming that because my fuel pump started to kick on that my car would start. ****s ****ed and im back to square one.
Are you sure your soldering is up to par? People have resoldered and their relay works for a little bit and then dies again.

To truly eliminate this, bypass the relay and connect it directly to the power source and see if it is your pump, because Honda fuel pumps are not easily killed.

I am running on the stock fuel pump with an H23a motor.
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Per ANSI/IPC J-STD-001D Requirements for Soldered Electrical and Electronic Assemblies standard, the proper way to re-solder those joints would be to first remove the old solder from each joint (using a solder sucker), then apply new solder to each joint. This will give you the most reliable solder connection. Most people don't know proper soldering techniques though, and just adding solder usually works. But this may not be a reliable long term fix.

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yes the pump is running. somewhere in between there and my fuel filter is the problem, when i unbolt the incomming line on the filter, and try to run it, fuel does not come out. so my pump still isnt working to its full extent. i still need a pump, the fact that my pump is bad, that or i magically clogged the line. but i doubt it.
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Re: The Beginning of the End of my Wallet- 1990 prelude Si Build thread!

It may be the pump, but generally, if it runs it works. It's also possible that the sock on the intake end of the pump is too plugged up to allow gas to get to the pump. If this is the case then the pump will quickly burn itself out. Either way, it looks like you need to pull the pump. But first you might want to make sure that the line from the pump to the filter is not plugged somehow.
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On a side note, I dun think you should paint your interior racecar red or blue...
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On a side note, I dun think you should paint your interior racecar red or blue...
^^x2 on that. Typically, people who paint their interior some loud color tend to regret it later. But it's your car and you can do what you want with it of course.
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blue all the way haha :D
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all im doing blue wise is changing the red center consol stuff to blue.
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