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Old 07-23-2012, 02:09 PM
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converting to r134

Ive tried doing a search before asking and am not finding good answers..I want to convert my system since r12 is no where to be found . i believe my compressor is no good since the clutch does not cycle and when i jump power and ground it still does not kick in .

My question is what else other than the drier needs to be replaced from r 12 to r 134 , or is the original drier already compatible . If not fine the drier is only $ 30 . but now what about the expansion valve ?????

Ive also tried reading the manual and i dont see anywhere where they mention compatibility
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Re: converting to r134

Im not sure, when i went to an auto parts store they told be to by this like 15 dollar conversion kit, suggested i just purge the line in the parking lot, add some r134 and call it a day. So i tried it, and well nothing changed haha
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You will need to have the lines vacuumed by a pro. Its illegal to just vent to the atmosphere. most places wont honor a warranty on a compressor if you don't buy the related hardware. Which is a recevier drier or the orifice tube,( you have one or the other) and the accumulater. you will need the retrofit kit too. cause you high side and low side are differant between r12 and r134a. (R12 is threaded) R134a is a quick dissconnect).

Also don't forget the recommended PAG oil.
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Re: converting to r134

Exactly so i do need to change my drier. That i figured but what about the txv valve ??? which on a system that has a drier acts as the orifice. orifice works for systems with accumulators .
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I would because you never know what debris is stuck to it because of the pag oil. Better safe then sorry.
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Re: converting to r134

Okay, I've been asking around because my system needs a recharge too.

I talked with a local shop that's owned by a relative of mine, he told me in order to do the conversion, he would have to do on 'compressor job', which I assume would involve either rebuilding the stock compressor, or replacing it (circa $900 O.O). Something to do with the r134a being much thinner, and often times leaking passed the seals in the old system.

He told me that often times he would do the conversion, and the system would leak out in a week or two. People would have to come back to keep recharging the system. He said it would be better to stick with r12...if you can find a shop that still has equipment to recharge the older system, and can get his hands on the r12 itself, because apparently, they stopped making it.

Sure, shop #2: They simply refused to even touch it, they stopped doing the conversion about a year ago, something to do with too much hassle with the EPA, etc. But they did tell me to look for some Mom & Pop shop, they still might use the old systems, and it would currently be much cheaper to stick with the r12 in that case.

Shop #3, teh Mom & Pop shop: Yes we do! Maximum of $130, which includes a leak down test, and full refill (if the system is empyt, which it isn't). So, I set an appointment for tomorrow morning!

I'm thinking this might be the LAST opportunity to recharge the A/C in these old cars. ;(
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Re: converting to r134

That's $130 to do the conversion, or is that to recharge your r12? If that's to recharge the r12 it's a pretty decent price. The only problem is that if your r12 is leaking out, then you obviously have a leak. I checked with shops a few years ago and none of them in my area would touch r12. I decided to remove all of my AC components this year and lighten my car up a little. When it gets hot enough to need AC I'll drive my Camaro.
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Re: converting to r134

$130 to recharge with r12. I'm not sure about leaks, but my current A/C blows cold for about 15 min, then gives up, I doubt there is a leak, just needs a recharge.

I LOVE weight reduction, the last 3 cars I had, I removed the A/C, but always regretted it; not when it was hot, I don't mind that, just when it's pouring and all the window start to fog up. It get so bad to the point you got to use a towel, or even your own shirt, to wipe the windshield inside in order to see, that's the part that sucks.
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i personally think removing the a/c is the dumbest mod out there...
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i personally think removing the a/c is the dumbest mod out there...
totally agree.

if you can get it recharged for $130 for r12, do it. i had a buddy who had a old truck with r12. he didn't want to convert to r134a and no one in the area had r12. so he drove down to mexico and got it recharged. only cost him $50 plus gas(he lives in san diego)
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i personally think removing the a/c is the dumbest mod out there...
Opinion noted. Thank you so much. Note to self, itsdatoneguy thinks that my removing the AC is the dumbest mod out there. Hmm...my world is still the same, nothing earth shattering going on. Wow!!! I think I'll survive this catastrophe.

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totally agree.

if you can get it recharged for $130 for r12, do it. i had a buddy who had a old truck with r12. he didn't want to convert to r134a and no one in the area had r12. so he drove down to mexico and got it recharged. only cost him $50 plus gas(he lives in san diego)
If I lived near Mexico it may have been an option. What I didn't say in my previous post is that the compressor was bad as well as the system not having any refrigerant. It wasn't worth it to me to fix it so I removed it. I saw no sense in keeping something that I had no intention of ever fixing. Not only did it eliminate about 50 pounds of dead weight, it cleaned up the engine bay a lot. And in my opinion (which is the only one that counts when it comes to my cars), it was a worthwhile mod.
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Re: converting to r134

Took the car to the shop this morning to get the system recharged. I was suprised to find out that my system has already been converted to r134a! Huzzah! But he said that the reason why it wasn't blowing cold any more was not that it needed a recharge, but something to do with a blockage near the 'expansion ring' found within the evaporator, or something to that effect. He also said there is a chance the blockage could work its way out and the AC will blow cold again, otherwise, a $160 fix.
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Opinion noted. Thank you so much. Note to self, itsdatoneguy thinks that my removing the AC is the dumbest mod out there. Hmm...my world is still the same, nothing earth shattering going on. Wow!!! I think I'll survive this catastrophe.

If I lived near Mexico it may have been an option. What I didn't say in my previous post is that the compressor was bad as well as the system not having any refrigerant. It wasn't worth it to me to fix it so I removed it. I saw no sense in keeping something that I had no intention of ever fixing. Not only did it eliminate about 50 pounds of dead weight, it cleaned up the engine bay a lot. And in my opinion (which is the only one that counts when it comes to my cars), it was a worthwhile mod.
LOL! Agreed, in your case, being that you have another ride, no harm, no foul. My advice would be, if it's your daily ride, or live in a area where the weather gets crappy, keep the A/C. Otherwise: weight reduction = win!
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Opinion noted. Thank you so much. Note to self, itsdatoneguy thinks that my removing the AC is the dumbest mod out there. Hmm...my world is still the same, nothing earth shattering going on. Wow!!! I think I'll survive this catastrophe.



If I lived near Mexico it may have been an option. What I didn't say in my previous post is that the compressor was bad as well as the system not having any refrigerant. It wasn't worth it to me to fix it so I removed it. I saw no sense in keeping something that I had no intention of ever fixing. Not only did it eliminate about 50 pounds of dead weight, it cleaned up the engine bay a lot. And in my opinion (which is the only one that counts when it comes to my cars), it was a worthwhile mod.
Again racecar luzer in with the save. His power modded 20 year old car is the sickest thing since sliced bread. Because of this forum I realized how sweet you really are. I just can't wait to see you driving down the road so I can praise you, no wait I wanna roll out a red carpet for your car while throwing flowers. You are probably the kayne west of the forum either A trolling the Internet fappin on reddit or B an old guy who puts way to much sentimental value in some shotty ass car that you think is on the same level of an imported exotic. But no your right removing the ac is just sooo super cool, just as cool as spending your nights with your hood popped up in a parking lot full of people just like you. I wanna be just like you when I grow up!!! Hypothetically speaking
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Took the car to the shop this morning to get the system recharged. I was suprised to find out that my system has already been converted to r134a! Huzzah! But he said that the reason why it wasn't blowing cold any more was not that it needed a recharge, but something to do with a blockage near the 'expansion ring' found within the evaporator, or something to that effect. He also said there is a chance the blockage could work its way out and the AC will blow cold again, otherwise, a $160 fix.
And screw yo lucky ass!!! Someone before you did all the hard work hahah, wish someone converted my ****, or I just aske my boss for the old cans of r12 in the back I the shop years ago. Is yours fixed now?
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And screw yo lucky ass!!! Someone before you did all the hard work hahah, wish someone converted my ****, or I just aske my boss for the old cans of r12 in the back I the shop years ago. Is yours fixed now?
Not yet, I doubt the system will work itself out. Probably going to get it fixed soon though, it's hot outside!
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Re: converting to r134

I completely agree. I'm about to spend 13hrs in the lude driving to Arkansas do its a priorety. Also someone on the forum mentioned checking the heater core I believe and making sure it closes all the way
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Re: converting to r134

You may find this link useful:
Freeze-12 or R-134a - Honda Prelude Forum : Honda Prelude Forums

You can spend $300 to get it cool, or $1200 to get it cold. Just read that entire thread and you will know what to do.
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Ive tried doing a search before asking and am not finding good answers..I want to convert my system since r12 is no where to be found . i believe my compressor is no good since the clutch does not cycle and when i jump power and ground it still does not kick in .

My question is what else other than the drier needs to be replaced from r 12 to r 134 , or is the original drier already compatible . If not fine the drier is only $ 30 . but now what about the expansion valve ?????

Ive also tried reading the manual and i dont see anywhere where they mention compatibility

For everyone's information here is what you will need to do to convert:

1. Change all O-Ring seals to the R-134 green O-rings.
2. Replace the drier which is under the driver side fender well.
3. Change your evaporator core to the new R-134 compatible one and replace the expansion valve that is bolted to the evaporator core. You will have to pull the evaporator core to get to the expansion valve.
4. Change your compressor because more than likely its the original one and may have clutch problems. You will need to add the oil for the compressor as well, I recommend letting your AC person do this unless you have the tools oil and are confident in your skill set to do it.
5. Purchase the retrofit kit, which itself is fairly cheap and easy to do.
6. If you do not have the tools to do this, then take it to a certified shop so its done right. But you can replace some of these parts yourself.
7. Verify that your CCU unit is working, it may need to be resoldered.

That is the way to get your system to work properly.







How do I know this, I have done it all and worked with my AC/Powersteering line guy from whom I have learned a ton about AC systems.
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Again racecar luzer in with the save. His power modded 20 year old car is the sickest thing since sliced bread. Because of this forum I realized how sweet you really are. I just can't wait to see you driving down the road so I can praise you, no wait I wanna roll out a red carpet for your car while throwing flowers. You are probably the kayne west of the forum either A trolling the Internet fappin on reddit or B an old guy who puts way to much sentimental value in some shotty ass car that you think is on the same level of an imported exotic. But no your right removing the ac is just sooo super cool, just as cool as spending your nights with your hood popped up in a parking lot full of people just like you. I wanna be just like you when I grow up!!! Hypothetically speaking
I'm waiting for the day that you start acting grown up. Maybe then you can contribute something useful. If you would actually read what I said you'd see why I removed the useless AC system that I had. If it was a newer car I might have spent the money to fix it. But like you said, it's more than 20 years old. No mention of racing or exotic cars in any of my posts.

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Again racecar luzer in with the save. His power modded 20 year old car is the sickest thing since sliced bread. Because of this forum I realized how sweet you really are. I just can't wait to see you driving down the road so I can praise you, no wait I wanna roll out a red carpet for your car while throwing flowers. You are probably the kayne west of the forum either A trolling the Internet fappin on reddit or B an old guy who puts way to much sentimental value in some shotty ass car that you think is on the same level of an imported exotic. But no your right removing the ac is just sooo super cool, just as cool as spending your nights with your hood popped up in a parking lot full of people just like you. I wanna be just like you when I grow up!!! Hypothetically speaking
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I have two, count them two, 30lb bottles of R12. Oh yeah, I do HVAC for a living...

There is no cheap way to do this guys. Oil has to be changed in the compressor, seals have to be changed to be compatible with the different oil/psi of new refrigerant, drier should be changed any time a closed system is opened to the atmosphere, txv has to be changed to work with the new refrigerant. Pulling a proper vacuum on a refrigeration system is key to having a great working ac system. vacuum removes moisture from the system, which is in the atmosphere. water and refrigerant are not friends.
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I'm waiting for the day that you start acting grown up. Maybe then you can contribute something useful. If you would actually read what I said you'd see why I removed the useless AC system that I had. If it was a newer car I might have spent the money to fix it. But like you said, it's more than 20 years old. No mention of racing or exotic cars in any of my posts.

Not sure why you felt the need to vent at me, but if you feel better then guess we're all better for reading it.
I haz to gooby unkle dolan raip me lolz

On the real note, actually i do contribute however, you seem to target every little thing i say and always end up starting it. Normally i just ignore it, but to see how frustrated and crying you get over it, it's actually quite amusing for us.

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Oggs forgot about the Dryer part. You can play with just about any of the parts, but the Dryer has to be installed and sealed pronto. After 2 minutes, every minutes takes a month of its life, that is supposed to keep moisture trapped because refrigerant+water is bad.

I had to watch my entire HVAC replaced because the line broke and moisture was getting in for 1 1/2 years.
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On the real note, actually i do contribute however, you seem to target every little thing i say and always end up starting it. Normally i just ignore it, but to see how frustrated and crying you get over it, it's actually quite amusing for us.

So go an be racecar driver and remove your backseat and go do tokyo drift styles down big mountain because yo shyt so JDM
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I just found out Lucky has already been converted.
Kenpachi was the po. It was cold when I bought so a/c wasn't discussed.

HOORAY!!! Just gotta fix the blockage.
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Oggs forgot about the Dryer part. You can play with just about any of the parts, but the Dryer has to be installed and sealed pronto. After 2 minutes, every minutes takes a month of its life, that is supposed to keep moisture trapped because refrigerant+water is bad.

I had to watch my entire HVAC replaced because the line broke and moisture was getting in for 1 1/2 years.
re-read my post............ I did mention the dryer.
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