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The Official H22 Swap thread by 1FunRyd

Update: 6-26-16 -
88-91 Prelude H22 swap video - 1FunRyd's swap.

For all those considering the H22/23 or F series swap, I have put together a comprehensive thread for PreludeZone members.

I did this for the newbies and some of us oldies as well. It is a checklist of the parts need to do the H22 basic swap. This is for the Si models only. The S models will need more work to make this swap work.

Source for the Mounts, Traction Bar, WireWorx engine conversion Harness: 1FunRyd ยท Performance Customs
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Parts need for the swap itself:

1. H22/23 mounts. I re-ignited the H22 swap in 2006 and contracted AZ Race and Machine to produce this high quality Billet swap kit.
As of 2010 AZ Race and Machine went out of business and I have am now the one who has the designs and can produce the Billet kit, however due to the economy the Billet kit is extremely expensive to reproduce in a one off kit design.


Price for H22 kit: $380 + shipping and paypal fees.

1FunRyd Performance H/F series swap kit.
For those who have been looking high and low for these, I am reproducing my kit.
H22 swap kit for your current or future H22 of F series swap project.






Here is what the motor looks like sitting in the 3rd gen engine bay:



2. Engine Harness used to be converted by WireWorx sold through me.





4. ECU - Engine Computer Unit. This is the brain for all motors and is necessary to run the engine managment wheter you are going OEM or Aftermarket.
The OEM ECU for the H22 motor is: P13




The OEM ECU for the H23 motor is: P14




Aftermarket ECU's that can be chipped and tuned will be: P28, P06, P75




The 88-89 ludes who do this swap will need the OBD1 conversion harness that rywire.com can provide for a fee.

The 90-91 ludes just plug right into the P13(H22 stock) ECU. **Edit**: 90 2.0S/90-91 2.0Si models are still OBD0 and will require you to upgrade to an OBD1 format. 90-91 Si models are OBD1.

Update Edit: Igniter wiring
Here is some information that was made aware to us for some 90Si ludes:
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hey sean
cinci filled me in on what i think could be added to the swap thread.
first my car is 91 auto b20a5 with the igniter on the shock tower. the h22a has the igniter in the distributor .i used a msd coil and connected to the stock coil wires inside the cap. not knowing i was connecting to the internal igniter started my car with both connected and it runs very ruff.
so maybe should be on the post for newcomers to only use one and disconnect the other.
when cinci mentioned this today was the first time i've read that anywhere. to a newbe like i was that is key info that would make the life of a first time swapper much easyer
gordie

5. Shifter Assembly -
The 92-96 Prelude shifter assenbly and linkage for proper shifting.
Other Honda Models for the shift assembly:
Shifter boxes and cables.... You need either 92-96 Prelude shifter box AND cables, 90-96 Accord shifter box AND cables or 97-2001 Prelude shifter box and Cables.
*Note: The 98-2001 shifter box is plastic so modifying it will prove hard and to me not so reliable, but if thats all you have then make it work.
And make sure you take the shifter cables with the specific shifter box assembly as one unit with all bolts and clips, or you will have a hard time trying to make it work.




6. VSS - Vehicle Speed Sensor conversion -
The 90-91 Preludes have an electronic VSS speed sensor so no need to do anything except plug it in.

**The 88-89 Preludes will have problems getting VTEC to engage since the ECU uses the signal from the speedometer to activate VTEC.

Here is a sort of write up for those will use the OEM ECU.

Making VTEC work on the 88-89 Manual VSS sensors:

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0bd0>B16 Speed Sensor White-Blue
this is on your factory 3rd gen loom on the 2.0 SI

OBD1->OBD0 - Function
B10 ->B16 - Speed Sensor
connect b16 to b10 via your 0bd1 conversion harness, to get the signal from your clusters internal vss to ecu. it basically reads off of your cruise control, so you must have a fuse in the location, you dont need the dashpot in the engine bay as mine is currently removed, but i will relocat later so i can still have it. this means your cable driven vss needs to be install in the newer tranny, it will not have a place to actually bolt down without some kind of self made bracket, mine is just sitting in there, been driving for over a week and it has not moved or decided to pop out, but i will later make something to hold her in place. On side note, if your speedo does not work, fix it or the ecu will think your still standing still and hit the nuetral rev limiter. as a precaution, make sure the screen on your vtec sol braket is clean and free of debree. if it is filthy you will get vtec off and on and throw a code 22, presure switch,

its the braket the the vtec sol and the presure switch r connected to. their is 3, 10mm bolts holding it to the head.

i hope this solves alot of head aches for you luders out there



Updated information for the 88-89 VSS users: You can use the OEM VSS sensor and keep the cable mechanism, the only thing you will need to figure out is how to secure the VSS to the tranny because it will not bolt down. You can fabricate your own clip with metal or go to a machine shop and have a billet aluminum piece made for yourself. For the most part if you just install the VSS and push it down it should stay in place, but since this is not a very secure way I cannot recommend it. But it will work in a pinch.

Here are pictures of my 88Si swap VSS conversion:


I broke the aluminum bracket off accidentally so we used it to secure the VSS to the H22 tranny.



Here is picture of the 90-91 VSS which is the same as the H22 VSS **Note for the 88-89 luders I would recommend keeping the rubber boot that comes stock on your old VSS so you can swap it on to the H22 VSS:




7. Modified Radius Rod or Aftermarket Traction Bar -
A modified Radius Rod for lowered ludes so the radius rod will clear the crank pulley. Or you can swap the crank pulley out for an aftermarket aluminum one which is smaller.
Edit 4-16-09: AZ Race is producing a traction bar that will clear the crank pulley and clear the AC pump.

Here was the completed AZ Race Traction bar, I will be reproducing these soon:


Here is mine on my lude:



8. Aircondition Conversion -
In order to keep the A/C you will need to modify the ac lines from an shop that can make custom ones.
And you will need to get some longer bolt that fit the front crossmember to accomodate 3" worth of washers used to space out the front cross memeber. This will allow room for the H22 compressor to fit down below. It will however lower the front crossmember. (I want to thank Osvoldo516 for his contribution to this information)
Edit: If you replace the OEM front CrossMember with an Aftermarket Traction Bar System, you will have all the space needed to re-install the AC Compressor and be functional.

Also there is some minor wiring to get rid of the dual AC relay system that runs our OEM system, because the ECU will run the AC system and bypass our dreaded CCU unit that always needs to be resoldered.
I have a different thread on that option.




9. PowerSteering -
Powersteering can be kept as well, you will need the have the H22 bracket and your preludes hardline from the sensor to the rack sent to me to be fabricated to work properly in the swap.



10. Axles -
Axles can be done through Gator axles or Raxles.com. Give Marty a call at raxles.com and he will tell you the specs. Call Glen at Gator axles as well.

Edit: 3-29-2009
Another cheaper option that has been done, is to use the stock: 90-93 Accord axles for the swap. This has been done by B20luda and a few other members and they said no modification needs to be done.

*Note: this is only for the 90-91 Preludes, the 88-89 will need to change their hubs to 90-91 hubs.
90-91 28 spline count hubs.. Or if not, then purchase Raxles.com axles.

The choice is yours. Here is an example of Raxles work. (Edit) I forgot to mention that the recommendation for upgrading the hubs to the 90-91 Hubs due to it having 28 spline count, the 88-89 Preludes have only 26 spline count. It is not necessary but was recommended by Gator axles due to the increase in power:

90-91 Hub: This hub can be easily purchased from a junkyard or ebay.







Update: 11-04-2010 - Alternate Axles - 90-93 Accord 5 speed axles

*As per B20luda - For an alternate source for axles we can use the 90-93 5 speed axles in stock form.

Note: for the 88-89 Ludes, you will need to swap the outer cups of those axles for the 88-89 cups to make it work, or you can do what I did and purchase a junkyard set of 90-91 front hubs and do the swap. Those hubs are a straight bolt in.

Also when choosing the H22 motor, in order for you to use the Accord axles, you will need to purchase the 90-98 Accord Mid-shaft to make this combo work.

The 92-01 Prelude Mid-shaft does not work due to the 90-98 Accord mid-shaft has a female spline end, versus the Prelude mid-shaft has the male spline end

He is using them in his 611whp boosted H22 swap.


11. Rear Engine Bracket -
I forgot to state that you need the Rear Engine bracket from the 4th or 5th gen Prelude, some H22's swaps are sold with Accord rear brackets. It is important that you note this down or AZ Races' rear engine mount will not fit.






This thread will continue to get updates as necessary. I welcome all input for this swap as there are many ways to do things. I know this will help a lot of people who are deciding whether they want to do this or not.

Enjoy!!
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Re: The Official H22/23 Swap thread by 1FunRyd

Mod's please sticky this so its easily read and available to all 3rd genners.

Thank you.

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Re: The Official H22/23 Swap thread by 1FunRyd

I am saving the first three posts for future updates with pictures and information.
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Re: The Official H22/23 Swap thread by 1FunRyd

For reference for this swap from start to finish here is the link to my swap thread on PZ.

1FunRyd's - Auto to 5 speed swap, B20A - H23 Non-VTEC swap


This will give all a perspective on what needs to be done.
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is the wiring harness difficult to install?
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Re: The Official H22 Swap thread by 1FunRyd

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is the wiring harness difficult to install?
Do you mean is it difficult to convert, yes. If you mean to actually install the engine harness that is already wireworx conversion harness, then no.

Wireworx is working on a plug and play universal OBD1 engine harness that will work for both an H22 B16/18/20b swap or B20/21 engine in OBD1 configuration.
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hello i have a 88prelude si non 4ws its in pretty good shape i would like too do a h22 swap well a frankenstein motor swap lol... i also have a 90 accord lx 4dr f22a1 5spd runs and drives good was gonna use it for a donnar car would like to do a h23 head to start on the f22a1 bottom with a h22 tranny and swap it over into my 88 lude any advice or tips and if this is a good idea or not thanks
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hello i have a 88prelude si non 4ws its in pretty good shape i would like too do a h22 swap well a frankenstein motor swap lol... i also have a 90 accord lx 4dr f22a1 5spd runs and drives good was gonna use it for a donnar car would like to do a h23 head to start on the f22a1 bottom with a h22 tranny and swap it over into my 88 lude any advice or tips and if this is a good idea or not thanks
Simply put its up to you whats the worth.

Its your car, so really if you want to put in the wrench time and you want to build it, then the idea is only as good as the one who thought of it.

Any motor can be built for whatever purpose you decide.

Do the research on what can be done with the F22a1, and if you like it then do it.

I can provide the mounts so that your dreams come true, what you want to do with the motor is all on you.

Everyone has their opinions, but the one that matters is yours because you are the one who has to pay for it all.

So think it through, and decide what your willing to pay and put into it and then set a budget and go from there.
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I am going to do this swap. I have a '91 si, and a '96 H22 prelude doaner. Thanks to 1FunRyd's clear explainations I think it will be worth it.
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Re: The Official H22 Swap thread by 1FunRyd

not to beat a dead horse, or reopen old threads, but im looking to do a H22 swap into my 1990 Prelude si. is anyone still making these kits? Place Racing has been out of business for over 10 years supposedly, and ESP's listed phone number on their website is no longer valid. does anybody have a set of these swap mounts laying around they will sell, or can point me in the direction of a shop/person who is making and selling these mounts? iv checked ebay and cant find any.
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if anyone has a set of these please call or text at (940)-391-0818
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how much do you think doing a swap like this would go for if ii already have the engine?
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glad im not asking for a price, just the product, nobody has any insight as to where to get the mounts?
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Re: The Official H22 Swap thread by 1FunRyd

Hey Sean I'm gonna be putting an f20b in my lude! So ill end up buying explicits mount swap kit and rywires harness, but before I start ordering the goodies I needa know if there're many differences between the H n F engines in regards to installation, main thing being axles.
Feel free to pm me bro cheers
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man i love that inx front end i want that on mine
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Cheers bro :) there're conversion kits out there and one US boy I know of so far has done it, if you had all the parts off eBay it'd be easy as to do. But be prepared to sell a kidney, I did for this car and haven't looked back since, you don't see them in the street scene
Where I'm from so it's nice to be different

But may god have mercy on your soul if you needa replace those rare as hell headlights!!!
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Re: The Official H22 Swap thread by 1FunRyd

Thank you so much to post this thread about engine swap for 3rd gen prelude.
Sorry that i sound like an idiot. Do these swap works on automatic transmission?
I got an automatic '90 Si (B21A1) engine and according to many resources, the engine is bad if its worn out. So, i might need to be prepared for Engine swap in the future.
Also, just curious is this swap smog legal?
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Thank you so much to post this thread about engine swap for 3rd gen prelude.
Sorry that i sound like an idiot. Do these swap works on automatic transmission?
I got an automatic '90 Si (B21A1) engine and according to many resources, the engine is bad if its worn out. So, i might need to be prepared for Engine swap in the future.
Also, just curious is this swap smog legal?
No Nuts, I tried to make that a reality but the wiring was just not worth the hassle for me at least so I gave up on that.

And just did the 5 speed swap. Also the auto tranny will not fit due to extra material that it has due to it being automatic.
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Oh okay. Thank you so much for your quick response.
I did not expect to get response that fast. haha
I guess i will save money to get another 3rd gen SI with manual transmission
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Oh okay. Thank you so much for your quick response.
I did not expect to get response that fast. haha
I guess i will save money to get another 3rd gen SI with manual transmission
You know you can do the entire swap and H22 swap all at the same time. Its the same amount of time and procedure, I did that on mine.

Here is my swap from auto B20A to H23a 5 Speed swap - http://www.preludepower.com/forums/s...921&highlight=
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I like the swap, looks nice. Do you change your odometer/speedometer to the manual one? Just curious, how long did it took you to finish the swap?
Is there other family members or friends helping you with the swap?
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I like the swap, looks nice. Do you change your odometer/speedometer to the manual one? Just curious, how long did it took you to finish the swap?
Is there other family members or friends helping you with the swap?
It took us one day to do the actual swap and another two weeks to figure out the non starting issue, which was a wiring problem from the coil to the distributor.

And I did not have to change my gauge cluster it still worked, but I did not have vtec so I did not run into the issues that the H22 guys did.

You are going to have to decide what path you want to go down if you own the OBD0 3rd gens, which do not have the VSS integrated at the tranny like the OBD1 3rd gens do.
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not to beat a dead horse, or reopen old threads, but im looking to do a H22 swap into my 1990 Prelude si. is anyone still making these kits? Place Racing has been out of business for over 10 years supposedly, and ESP's listed phone number on their website is no longer valid. does anybody have a set of these swap mounts laying around they will sell, or can point me in the direction of a shop/person who is making and selling these mounts? iv checked ebay and cant find any.
i know that https://www.innovativemounts.com/ has h22 conversion mounts they do run about $300 but lifetime warranty. Just pointing in a direction. im sure people fab them for cheaper. hope that helps.
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wrote a revew on the kit. in short. DONT BUY IT. here are some details and photoes
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wrote a revew on the kit. in short. DONT BUY IT. here are some details and photoes
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i dig the picture at the bottem but i tryed to use your link to check reveiws and it does not work. tryed copy and paste too. please relink intrested in the thoughts on that mount.
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Price update on my H22 kits: $380 + shipping and paypal fees.
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Update: 6-26-2016 - Update to my own personal H22 swap.


Well after so many years of putting it off, I finally joined the VTEC crowed with the H22 swap into the 88-91 Honda Prelude

The H23a swap is no less of a swap by any means so do not discount its power.

Without further a due......


MustardCat(David) and Huy starting off 9:30am





luda8890(Tony) taking off the axles.


Exhaust dropped.


Traction Bar pulled and AC hung.



MustardCat banging away at the LCA to get the axle off.



Ready to pull the motor and tranny.







David working the rear mount. We discovered my threads on the subframe are fubar'ed.
Going to have to replace that rear subframe at some point or pull the motor and re-tapped the threads.....UGH!!!!
Its fixed for now, but pulling that rear mount will mean it will have to be repaired the same day.



The guys setting up the H22 changing oil, oil filter.
We power washed the motor to get most of the old crud off.



New XTD Stage 1 clutch and pressure plate installed.
It is stiffer than the last XTD Stage 1 clutch I had in 2009.




I decided to re-use my original AZ Race driver side mount. As it is easier for timing side work.

**Note: I was going to use the 97-01 powersteering bracket and pump and pump fitting, but since we wanted to get the car up and running the same day, we needed to grind the back of the bracket since the H23a/a1 brackets are the same bolt locations the only difference is there is a lip that sits up against the the H23a head, which is smaller than the H22a head.
I did not take a pic because I forgot..
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New motor and tranny going back in.








MustardCat, Huy, and luda8890 dropping the new power plant in.



Determined to squeeze that big block in there...lol





Brotha Dima joined the crew later on, and got right into it...Ukranians....smh...lol!!!!














To be continued on the next post...
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With this swap you need to get the Rear mount slotted into the T bracket and then run the bolt through but not all the way through to get some wiggle room.
Then the Tranny mount and bracket need to get installed.

This part was a Bitch!!! Because you have to get the angle of the motor right since the angle of the engine was not right from the beginning.

That is crucial being able to adjust the engine and maneuver it in place.



Wiggle...


Re-adjust...


Step back and take a break and rethink...


Bamm!!! Got it... now quickly Dime lock the S... down!!! Before it decides to move and run away...lol





Uh Ohhh!!!!! The rear bolt won't thread through....smh....:dontgetit:


Decided not to post those pics, too boring. Just a lot of more wiggling and groaning and gripping...lol

But we got it eventually...



Ok, time for the Driver side mount and bracket.


ehhh... that was simple...lol


Ahhh....home stretch. Start the installation of all core parts and accessories.
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This goes here...


That goes there...


That right there...


Throttle cable hooked up...



I think thats right....


My rats nest hack job to fix the reverse light issue.


After more of the smaller details finally finished and thanks to Tony for cleaning up my rats nest, we have officially finished the swap.

Taaa Daaaaa!!!








Tony just admiring his handy work and taking a well deserved break. lol!!!!




oooopsss!!! Something is missing???


Uh Huh!!! the PCV valve. But the it needs a shorter one because this one sticks up higher than the H23a's did, so here is what Tony decided to do...
Yes he cut it down and then used the soldering iron to weld it back together to let it sit lower on the valve cover otherwise it would not close the hood properly.


Finally on the ground and finished.






Swap video from start to finish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=3OIimYBlWl4



I want to thank David, Tony, Huy and Dima for there help and dedication to get this project done in 1!!!! day.
Normally an project like this would take about a complete weekend with little things here and there, but these guys made it work and kept on pushing regardless of setbacks.

Because I had most of the parts in place already a swap like this is very doable in one day from tear down to up and running.

And yes we did get a start up and drove it around the block, and boy oh boy it is just as thrilling to drive.

I cant wait to really open her up and get that VTEC cracking.

I have run into some starting issues with some inconsistane hesitation. I will need to track down what that is but the car runs and drives beautifully and of course I have my AC system fully functional with full interior and sub-woofer and stereo.
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