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i have a 1991 prelude si 4ws with b21a1 and i wanna swap a h22a with it but i dont know what parts are needed exactly. so what exact parts are needed for the full swap?
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i have a 1991 prelude si 4ws with b21a1 and i wanna swap a h22a with it but i dont know what parts are needed exactly. so what exact parts are needed for the full swap?
Then you need to go here: The Official H22 Swap thread by 1FunRyd

And read everything.
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

can u just tell me the parts needed cuz im really tired of searching and reading lots. ive been looking for a loooong time so ppls
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

and the cheapest way too(just to get the parts)
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

Hahaha!!!!

No one anywhere is going to tell you step by step what to do, all of us who have done it, have all done our own homework and figured things out.

The link I gave you gives you all the information you are going to need to do the swap.

If you are to lazy to read up and research for this swap, then you are not going to get real hellp from anyone.

I did a lot of home work, and I did a lot of foot work for people like you already, and here I am spoon feeding you where to get the information that you will need to research for yourself to understand what parts are needed and what motors are supported, and who supports us.

And you still want me to spoon feed you more??? Sorry buddy you are on your are on your own.

I don't need to help out someone who will not do the leg work themselves after I have busted my ass to make this swap as easy as possible.

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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

^for years I have been asking you Sean to make a PZ related info thread about the H22 swap. But all you do is link to that other site, and link links to that other site. Again, no one here knows you and the work you've done over there. You act really elitist and simply link people claiming you are the H22 project manager. Pp culture is not Pz culture get that straight. Dont talk down to anyone you have no right of that here on Pz.

..i still remember years ago when i spoke to you on the phone for over an hour. My opinion on you then was the same as it is now.
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^for years I have been asking you Sean to make a PZ related info thread about the H22 swap. But all you do is link to that other site, and link links to that other site. Again, no one here knows you and the work you've done over there. You act really elitist and simply link people claiming you are the H22 project manager. Pp culture is not Pz culture get that straight. Dont talk down to anyone you have no right of that here on Pz.

..i still remember years ago when i spoke to you on the phone for over an hour. My opinion on you then was the same as it is now.
I tried to do that, but this board limits me on posting pics, and it is a lot of work and you should know that more than anyone else on here.

So, the easiest thing for me is to link the threads or you will have to upgrade my account or something in order to repost things over here.

As to my elitest attitude, hmmm I do not agree, but you have your opinion and I have mine. After doing so much, and trying to help people I guess I have become a little jagged because I deal with a gambit of people and it does get tiring to keep repeating myself after a while. So I apologize if I seem elitest, just tired.

So let me know what you want to do so I can post a thourough thread with all the pics that I need to post in order to do this right.

That is the only reason why I have not completed it since our last conversation because I spent hours writing the thread up to only have it crash on me and tell me I exceed my image posting limit or something to that effect.
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

Sean, what I would love for you to do is to establish a Pz h22 swap thread for our board. Take your time and redo it. Again, Pp culture is not Pz culture. That's why we have pic limits for threads/posts You and I have always had some sort of tension over this; I think it's about time we squashed it and progress forward...for everyone in the Prelude community.

Also, you know our 3rd gen community is small but genuine in character and members. You have to treat this place as such. Put it like this: your sales tactics work over there but not over here. how come? because when in Rome, do what the Romans do.


as for the thread starter. Take time and read that thread 1funryd posted. Dont be a dork.
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No problem.

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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

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You will need 2 flux capacitors, the #3 piston out of a s2000 NOT the #2 it will not work right and you will not have vtec. 6 inches of duck tabe, a chines woman that only speaks in riddles, 1/2 a dog(doesn't mater what half) and alot of time to read post from ppl that have done it. If your to lazy to read why would you even bother with this.
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

thx and ive done more research and found this. are these all the parts i need?

Transmission
Clutch
Flywheel
Half shaft
ECU
Axles
Shifter cable
Rear mount
Alternator *
Complete Block
Distributor
Intake Manifold
Complete Head
Power Steering Pump
Starter
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wheres the wiring harness?
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

ohk thx is that all?? and were cud i get the harness
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

Serious serious serious: from my experience, the cheapest way of doing big projects on cars, is the long and more costly way in the end! Do it top notch, even if it means waiting longer, saving a little more. But when it's done, it's done!
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thx and ive done more research and found this. are these all the parts i need?

Transmission
Clutch
Flywheel
Half shaft
ECU
Axles
Shifter cable
Rear mount - No, you need all three H22/23 specialty mounts, not the OEM ones. From me or Explicit Speed Performance
Alternator *
Complete Block
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Intake Manifold
Complete Head
Power Steering Pump
Starter
Throttle Body
Exhaust Manifold
Fuel Rail
Injectors
Pulleys
Rywire.com or Wireworx H22/23 swap harness for the 3rd gen.
Axles - www.raxles.com


Here I updated some things for you.
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

Sean, if you supply pictures and instructions for each step, I could put it on the new Prelude website. This, I think, is the biggest hurdle. The easier it is to swap in a H22, the more people will spend to do it right. You can find every step in a swap for popular Civics, but we need this for our ludes. If you supply/write the content, I will make sure it is coded into the website via HTML/CSS/scripting.

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I can do that as well.
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

1991prelude; If you're asking the cheapest route to swap your engine, you're asking the wrong question. What do you have so far? what's your inventory? have you committed yet? Also to some degree you need some kind of shop or garage to do this, who specializes in swaps. The link is a guide, and even with the link, it's gonna take 4-12 months, parts, sourcing, tools and downtime on your prelude. Then you need to troubleshoot the random crap the new engine will have.

Sean, The only way you can get thread the way you want is to watermark the instructions into each picture and post them without adding any text. Clear, simplier and your token won't expire. You can also save a copy of the thread in notepad, no grief. what's the limit? 31 pictures a post? 500 pics/25= 20 posts then It'll get locked/ stickied. voila.
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

what aboout the cvjoints? would the originals fit in the new tranmission?
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You will need 2 flux capacitors, the #3 piston out of a s2000 NOT the #2 it will not work right and you will not have vtec. 6 inches of duck tabe, a chines woman that only speaks in riddles, 1/2 a dog(doesn't mater what half) and alot of time to read post from ppl that have done it. If your to lazy to read why would you even bother with this.
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what aboout the cvjoints? would the originals fit in the new tranmission?
Ok I did the whole swap and it is now stickied at the top of the forum in our 3rd gen forum, go and read it, I even linked my personal swap for step by step.
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Re: b21a1 engine swap with h22a NEED QUESTIONS ANSWERED pls!

Axles, mounts ,computer, and harness is most of the stuff that needs to be altered.The engine usually comes with the accessories along with getting the trans to match it.I know there's a bunch more but the harder stuff, that I could, see would be that stuff.
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itz a lot of work for lil gain
What??? And you are basing this statement off of what?

Let me see, hmmm:

B20a5 - 135hp/127tq
H22 - 200hp/161tq

200
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= 65hp

So that is a 65hp gain instantly that would be equal to adding a turbo with a lot of tuning and rebuilding of the B20a5, but this added power is already stock in an H22. ???? I am trying to see how little that number is, but...ahhh... I just cant see it?

My math must be off on top of the fact I have driven both these power plants in the lude chassis, sooo...nope I still not getting it...
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^^^ itsdatoneguy ^^^ rides motorcycles, 400hp cars feel sluggish to him, LOL. I'm not gonna argue about that.

And for what it's worth, you're not gonna want to stop at 200hp, so turbo+ tune makes the build pricey, especially if this is the first time. Just cheaper to boost your b20/b21, and you have the plans for that too. H22/3RD gen swap is still pretty hard by Honda standards. You gotta have "the garage" to make it happen. Boils down to "pay to play"
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And for what it's worth, you're not gonna want to stop at 200hp, so turbo+ tune makes the build pricey, especially if this is the first time. Just cheaper to boost your b20/b21, and you have the plans for that too. H22/3RD gen swap is still pretty hard by Honda standards. You gotta have "the garage" to make it happen. Boils down to "pay to play"
Well that background information was helpful.

Yes to him this would be a small gain. But its apples to oranges. Bikes are just not fair.

But me friend Mitch has a 610whp H22 boosted 3rd gen and he beats street bikes, so that would probably tickle itsdatoneguy fancy.
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And for what it's worth, you're not gonna want to stop at 200hp, so turbo+ tune makes the build pricey, especially if this is the first time. Just cheaper to boost your b20/b21, and you have the plans for that too. H22/3RD gen swap is still pretty hard by Honda standards. You gotta have "the garage" to make it happen. Boils down to "pay to play"
hahaha! motorcycle goes zoom zoom zoom!!!!!

but what i mean, is that h22 swap is like 2-3 even 4k dollars to do, well at least do it right so your not blowing it up or just effing everything up in a week. for that much money, i could buy sayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy


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600+hp prelude. There was a time I'd kill for a car like that, but consdering 350hp in the same car would be scary. A nsx only had what, 276 from the factory? I was curious in the process because it was so extensive, not because I wanted a supercar. I barely keep tabs on Mona, she's stock.

And Itsdatoneguy, you forgot to toss in the garage, hoist, tools, Beater to get from point a to b, and bottle of aspirin for the aches of tugging an engine and headaches of why the focking car isn't starting. Any build really. I'm cheap too 4 leather seats, 350 hp and ice cold ac. Its the creature conforts for me. Nice bike BTW, your or random pic?
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600+hp prelude. There was a time I'd kill for a car like that, but consdering 350hp in the same car would be scary. A nsx only had what, 276 from the factory? I was curious in the process because it was so extensive, not because I wanted a supercar. I barely keep tabs on Mona, she's stock.

And Itsdatoneguy, you forgot to toss in the garage, hoist, tools, Beater to get from point a to b, and bottle of aspirin for the aches of tugging an engine and headaches of why the focking car isn't starting. Any build really. I'm cheap too 4 leather seats, 350 hp and ice cold ac. Its the creature conforts for me. Nice bike BTW, your or random pic?
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