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three isssues with my 89 prelude

i have a 1989 prelude 2.0si that I am having a few issues with being a new owner, and have a couple questions too. the car has a CAI and an unknown brand aftermarket exhaust...106K miles and picked it up for 2k this spring...really clean car, loaded, two sets of decent tires, and all the electronics work!

1) what is the best RPM to drive at to get the best power for drag racing the other local cars?

2) i am thowing a code at speed...the car surges for a bit and has not power but as soon as the CEL lights up it is back to normal. the car drives better with the light on! as soon as the car gets shut off the CEL is cleared making it almost impossible to read.

3) the EGR vacuum tube and valve...what does it do and do I need it? i see a lot of guys on the forum say to disconnect it. does it rob power and does it get dirty all the time? i have an exhaust smell in the cabin after i have driven for a while so it may be clogged?

4) are the CV joints and tie rods easy to replace? my right side is going and it looks like i will have to replace them soon...

5) with 106k miles and the b20a motor do i have to check the timing belt being a manual motor? is that accessable or is that more of a garage replacement project?

6) what kind of newer cars should i be competitive with in my stock form? i smoked a new dodge neon sxt but do know if that is a big feat. i am a fairly decent driver but with the cast on i have not touched a clutch in 6 weeks and it may be a few more before i can touch one again.

7) do you need the crossbrace to help stiffen up the front at all for steering?

any and all info would be helpful...its my first foreign car and is taking a bit of getting used to with mechanical...more electronics that my old school stuff!
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Re: three isssues with my 89 prelude

1) LOL!

2)CELs are generally stored in the ECU and can be retrieved at any time. Check what CEL you have, look up the number, and it should point you in the right direction of the problem.

3)Depends...if you live in a state where they test emissions, then you might need the EGR system. But keeping the system will not rob your car of any power, if anything, it might cool your engine better during lower RPMs.

4)Nah, I should think it wouldn't be, no more than any other Honda I've encountered. (I haven't touched mine yet, just adjusted the toe)

5)Manual motor? Is a manual motor different than say...and automatic motor? If in doubt, Change It! The cost of peace-of-mind is much less than potential disaster!

6) Again LOL! My best advice is to stop skreet racing, go to your local strip, lay down some 1/4 mile times, and this should bring some light to your question.

7)It would most likely help the car, any chassis stiffening bracing applied in the right places can do wonders to any car. But I wouldn't say these cars "need" them. I mean, does the handling feel lose, sloppy, and understeers like no one's business?
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1) LOL!

come on! there has to be a powerband to these things...all cars have them. 6k RPM is what is listed as peak horsepower. is that where i want to be or will i blow the motor?

2)CELs are generally stored in the ECU and can be retrieved at any time. Check what CEL you have, look up the number, and it should point you in the right direction of the problem.

even if the CEL clears after i turn the car off? is there a picture of where i should jump the whatever with the paperclip to read the CEL?

3)Depends...if you live in a state where they test emissions, then you might need the EGR system. But keeping the system will not rob your car of any power, if anything, it might cool your engine better during lower RPMs.

nope, michigan is only 10 years i think. i cut the catalytic converter out of my truck a long time ago. oddly enough without the converter it runs better, has more horse, and does not throw a CEL with the useless O2 sensors not doing much...what about a plugged EGR or cleaning it? is that why i am getting an exhaust smell?

4)Nah, I should think it wouldn't be, no more than any other Honda I've encountered. (I haven't touched mine yet, just adjusted the toe)

5)Manual motor? Is a manual motor different than say...and automatic motor? If in doubt, Change It! The cost of peace-of-mind is much less than potential disaster!

my bad...manual transmission. manual motor is me on a pedal bike

6) Again LOL! My best advice is to stop skreet racing, go to your local strip, lay down some 1/4 mile times, and this should bring some light to your question.

skreet racing? not sure...i shoot skeet...i race on the street...is that like a death race where you race while people are shooting at your? the closest 1/4 mile track is in canada...not too fun to get to but may try. i live in the middle of no where so the business spur is the next best thing.

7)It would most likely help the car, any chassis stiffening bracing applied in the right places can do wonders to any car. But I wouldn't say these cars "need" them. I mean, does the handling feel lose, sloppy, and understeers like no one's business?
its only sloppy because of the tie rod and CV joint. have some twisty roads i like to take but it really does not handle too bad. just wanted to see if it was suggested.
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Did you buy 20 year old prelude for the sole purpose to be racecar
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come on! there has to be a powerband to these things...all cars have them. 6k RPM is what is listed as peak horsepower. is that where i want to be or will i blow the motor?
Brother...I wouldn't deprive you of discovering all this for yourself.

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even if the CEL clears after i turn the car off? is there a picture of where i should jump the whatever with the paperclip to read the CEL?
Not sure about OBD0, if it were OBD1, it's fairly easy, and doesn't involve a paper clip ;)

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nope, michigan is only 10 years i think. i cut the catalytic converter out of my truck a long time ago. oddly enough without the converter it runs better, has more horse, and does not throw a CEL with the useless O2 sensors not doing much...what about a plugged EGR or cleaning it? is that why i am getting an exhaust smell?
Cleaning out the EGR valve couldn't hurt a thing...I don't know about no smell though.

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skreet racing? not sure...i shoot skeet...i race on the street...is that like a death race where you race while people are shooting at your? the closest 1/4 mile track is in canada...not too fun to get to but may try. i live in the middle of no where so the business spur is the next best thing.
"skreet" racing is slang for what you think it is. I use it to make fun of the whole stereotype with so called 'street racers.'

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its only sloppy because of the tie rod and CV joint. have some twisty roads i like to take but it really does not handle too bad. just wanted to see if it was suggested.
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nope...i actually bought it to be a daily driver and for the gas mileage. i just like to know about the vehicle and racing is more of an after thought. same thing happened with my truck...now i am looking to do some mud runs with the truck. i will eventually build a race car but for right now this is what i have. am i going to get knocked for driving a car hard? half the guys on here are dropping after market turbos, h22 motors, and all sorts of stuff in their 3g. just looking for some solid info from the experienced guys...that and i dont want to unknowingly take on something a little too big for my britches. the exhaust that was put on the car by the previous owner for some reason has a lot of people trying to race me at the lights...now thinking about toning it down a bit.
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thanks for the resource thread...has been book marked. do most of my own work like my of you guys seem to so this should come in real handy! "skreet racing"...well i would google maps brimley michigan and you would see how it may take a bit for some terms get to my remote location. it is OBD0...and thinking about changing it to OBD1 but not a huge priority for me right now since i can still use the paperclip if i have to.

at this point it does need a tune up and i do need to drop the oil pan and replace the seal. i think the previous owner got hung up on something and knocked it...i just want to make sure it runs right and part of that is making sure i am staying with the guys i should be staying with...if it is running crappy, sometimes it is easy to tell and sometimes it is hard to tell. oh well, i am a big boy...i can take it
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If it is a stock DOHC and it can do 0-60 in ~8 seconds, it is doing OK but might need a tune-up. If it takes you 9 seconds, either you need to go on a diet, or you need to fix something on the car. If you can do 0-60 in 5 seconds, I think we should have a run and see who's Prelude is faster in 1/4 mile.
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thanks for the resource thread...has been book marked. do most of my own work like my of you guys seem to so this should come in real handy! "skreet racing"...well i would google maps brimley michigan and you would see how it may take a bit for some terms get to my remote location. it is OBD0...and thinking about changing it to OBD1 but not a huge priority for me right now since i can still use the paperclip if i have to.

at this point it does need a tune up and i do need to drop the oil pan and replace the seal. i think the previous owner got hung up on something and knocked it...i just want to make sure it runs right and part of that is making sure i am staying with the guys i should be staying with...if it is running crappy, sometimes it is easy to tell and sometimes it is hard to tell. oh well, i am a big boy...i can take it

To check the codes of the OBD0 88-89 ludes, you need to pull the small carpet tab at the top of the carpet on the passenger side floor pan.

You will see the red LED flashing your codes. Just turn the key to the ON position and count the flashes.


And here is the codes for the 88-89 ludes:
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If you can do 0-60 in 5 seconds, I think we should have a run and see who's Prelude is faster in 1/4 mile.
Cute. I don't want to jack this thread, but you keep making these claims. I'm really looking forward to seeing how awesome this car is.

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1funryd: i would pull the carpet to take a look but as soon as I shut the engine off the CEL clears. it has been said that the CEL stays in the memory bank even though it is not lit but it has not been my experience that it does with my american cars. that might be a different feature. the CEL clears as soon as the engine stops...the big thing is why would it surge, and why does the CEL coming on override the surge?

kenpachi: thats the thing right now. would rather have a well running car without the sloppy steering or CV issues but right now they are minor and not a big deal. maybe get them done this winter when it is parked and drive my truck to work.
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Well, you usually don't have to check the CEL with the engine running anyway. Before you start your car, turn the key to the "2nd" position, or the running position, and watch the light blink, that's it.
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1funryd: i would pull the carpet to take a look but as soon as I shut the engine off the CEL clears. it has been said that the CEL stays in the memory bank even though it is not lit but it has not been my experience that it does with my american cars. that might be a different feature. the CEL clears as soon as the engine stops...the big thing is why would it surge, and why does the CEL coming on override the surge?

kenpachi: thats the thing right now. would rather have a well running car without the sloppy steering or CV issues but right now they are minor and not a big deal. maybe get them done this winter when it is parked and drive my truck to work.
So your telling me, that when you turn the key to the 2nd position, and then you go down to pull the small carpet tab that covers the LED peep hole on the ECU, that there is no blinks???
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So your telling me, that when you turn the key to the 2nd position, and then you go down to pull the small carpet tab that covers the LED peep hole on the ECU, that there is no blinks???
dunno...would have to check the second position. my brother has the car now because of the broken leg (does not drive clutch well). may be getting it back today if the doc says i can have the cast off. will check that though as soon as i get it back...
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don't you need to put the paper clip in first to check for blinks
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don't you need to put the paper clip in first to check for blinks
Where? It's not a Civic. Just put the key to position II, and watch the ECU for blinks.
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Anyone know how to fix that code 4 crank angle? Does it mean my crank is jacked up? My 88' stopped shifting out of 1st unless I pull the pistol grip down to "2". Ran fine for a few days after I found S3 blinking. A few days after that the Check Engine light came on. A few more days and no more shifting... (i'm not abusive but i simply had to get to & from my A's and B's). The speedo cable stopped working when the check engine light came on so I yanked that out (Squeeked for like 15 years lol). I have a back up '72 c-10 but the gas mileage is non-sense! I checked fuses and reset ecu but still got same code evruh time. I've been scouring useless, conflicting net searches for days (it's hard out there for a newb!) and I won't brag about my lack of mechanical knowledge... Thanks for any info!

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Don't think 3rd gen ludes have crank angle sensors. The list for all codes covers all Hondas for a certain amount of years according to the computer code book(except certain models).
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The code chart half way up the page says code 4 for an '88 is "crank angle". Although it is carbed and not fi. Seems like I seen somewhere that made a difference in codes (can anyone confirm this?). Idk wth a crank angle is but, going off of what you said, I'd assume the engine would run like garbage (runs fine besides slightly high revs when cold). Also, can't see why the tranny wouldn't shift unless the computer was stopping it for some reason. Seems like an ECU chart code 4 I seen a while back for a carbed 3rd gen obd0 ecu was something to do with aaaaa.. "vacuum signal" or something. Hit me back if that makes sense. Thanks
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Don't think 3rd gen ludes have crank angle sensors. The list for all codes covers all Hondas for a certain amount of years according to the computer code book(except certain models).
Yes, we actually do have crank/tdc sensors. It's located in the distributor for fuel injected models.

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The code chart half way up the page says code 4 for an '88 is "crank angle". Although it is carbed and not fi. Seems like I seen somewhere that made a difference in codes (can anyone confirm this?). Idk wth a crank angle is but, going off of what you said, I'd assume the engine would run like garbage (runs fine besides slightly high revs when cold). Also, can't see why the tranny wouldn't shift unless the computer was stopping it for some reason. Seems like an ECU chart code 4 I seen a while back for a carbed 3rd gen obd0 ecu was something to do with aaaaa.. "vacuum signal" or something. Hit me back if that makes sense. Thanks
I can't find any mention of the crank angle sensor in the carbie lude, but I don't know much about those models.
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So since the crank angle sensor is really not sensing the crank angle, Then it's really showing the position of the cams. The real crank sensors on other Hondas are located down near the CRANK below the water pump. Don't know what year the terminology changed though.
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