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Old 06-23-2012, 07:16 AM
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Hey everyone! Happy to be on board!

Purchased a '91 Si about a month ago with a blown head gasket. I'm getting it back from the shop sometime Mon. or Tues. next week and I'm really looking forward to getting it! I'm also making sure they work out as many bugs as they can before it hits the road.

From everything else I was able to inspect on the car, everything seems to work okay. It has all the bells and whistles including A/C, cruise control, power roof, ABS, etc. (non-4WS). I assume any one of these system could fail at any time.

I would def. like to know from you guys any good advice on some preventative maintenance I should look into right away specific to these cars, not including all the regular tune-up stuff. I've also taken the time to check out some of the links and other website found on this forum, and they appeared to be very helpful.

Another concern I have is keeping the engine cool. Another mechanic told me that these generation 'ludes weren't the most efficient at keeping the engine cool, which probably lead to the head gasket failure in the first place. I plan on doing some basic TLC, but I figured you guys might have some more insight.

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The engine bay does get outrageously hot i have noticed this with my Prelude as well. We'll never know why your head gasket blew up. It could be many other reasons...but as soon as you get the car back show us pictures of the Si ALB!
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The bay does get really hot, a few members on prelude power, lifted the hood with good results. Some people don't like the look of doing this.
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hmmmm....I'll inspect the engine bay, take temp readings in various areas around the engine, and try to find some good ways of venting air around. I'm pretty good at fabbing up stuff if need be.
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Welp, had the car running for one full day. Yesterday morning, it was bogging down like crazy, throwing Code 43. After an hour of inspection, I determined that injector #3 is no longer working, I have spark, but no fuel. Looks like changing out injectors on these cars are a pain, spent another hour trying, but I just didn't have the right tool, or motivation to be out there battling 100+ temps.

Trying to get some injectors from a buddy of mine, going to give it another go on Monday. Is bad injectors a common problem with these cars? I just think it is what it is, Honda 235cc injectors are pretty standard across the board.

Or could it be another problem...
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This will help, a lot.

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Another concern I have is keeping the engine cool. Another mechanic told me that these generation 'ludes weren't the most efficient at keeping the engine cool, which probably lead to the head gasket failure in the first place. I plan on doing some basic TLC, but I figured you guys might have some more insight.

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There is not a cooling problem with 3rd gens. They are very good at keeping the engine within the normal operating temperature when they are in good condition. Like any car, the engine can overheat if the cooling system isn't in good repair. The more likely scenario is that one of the many small coolant hoses started leaking and the previous owner kept driving it, causing the engine to overheat from lack of coolant and causing the head gasket to go.

There are a lot of coolant hoses on our engines. These cars are over 20 years old, and many of these hoses are difficult to replace. So the weak link in our cooling systems is the coolant hoses getting old and leaking. I would recommend that you replace all of them before making this a daily driver. I replaced all of mine last summer. It took me a full day but it's worth it for the peace of mind I now have.
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There are a lot of coolant hoses on our engines. These cars are over 20 years old, and many of these hoses are difficult to replace. So the weak link in our cooling systems is the coolant hoses getting old and leaking. I would recommend that you replace all of them before making this a daily driver. I replaced all of mine last summer. It took me a full day but it's worth it for the peace of mind I now have.
Whats a rough estimate of how much it cost you? Did you just go with a standard gates/goodyear brand of tubing?
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I bought all of the small hoses from Honda, and they cost somewhere around $90. You could get by with bulk hose for some of them, but a few are molded with 90 degree bends and bulk hose might kink in those applications. I decided to go with the genuine thing to make it easier. Somewhere on the other forum I posted a list of the hoses and part numbers I ordered. The upper and lower rad hoses came from NAPA, and had been replaced the year before.
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Wow, thanks! Come to find out, it wasn't the injectors, it was the plug wire after all. It was sparking, but for some reason not delivering it to the spark plug. And, they were 'Carquest' which were garbage. I simply grab the old plug wires from my Civic I had laying around (I'm currently running Thompson 8mm plug wires on the Civic), and good to go!

As far as the cooling thing, I'll look over the car real good, I ask the mechanic who did my head gasket to do the same, so I hope he may have fixed any potential problems.

Thanks again!
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Whats a rough estimate of how much it cost you? Did you just go with a standard gates/goodyear brand of tubing?
After I posted my response to this question I realized that I didn't actually pay that much for the cooling hoses. I had a couple other parts in that order. So I searched the other site for the list I posted. The cost for the small hoses was $42 before shipping. Here is the list I posted, and a link to the website. #21 has been discontinued, but you can use bulk hose for this one.

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#16 19508-PA6-305 HOSE, BYPASS OUTLET $4.94
#18 19506-PK2-000 HOSE B, BYPASS $3.35
#19 19507-PK2-000 HOSE A, FAST IDLE CONTROL $5.39
#20 19508-PK2-000 HOSE B, FAST IDLE CONTROL $3.96
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#25 19513-PK2-000 HOSE B, EICV $6.69
#26 19514-PK2-000 HOSE A, BREATHER HEATER $2.24
#27 19515-PK2-010 HOSE B, BREATHER HEATER $5.24
#30 19508-PA6-305 HOSE, BYPASS OUTLET $4.94
#31 19522-PK2-010 HOSE B, OIL COOLER $3.12
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Subtotal: $42.11
Shipping: $0.00

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Wow, thanks! Come to find out, it wasn't the injectors, it was the plug wire after all. It was sparking, but for some reason not delivering it to the spark plug. And, they were 'Carquest' which were garbage. I simply grab the old plug wires from my Civic I had laying around (I'm currently running Thompson 8mm plug wires on the Civic), and good to go!

As far as the cooling thing, I'll look over the car real good, I ask the mechanic who did my head gasket to do the same, so I hope he may have fixed any potential problems.

Thanks again!
That's awesome that it was something that simple. Sounds good about the coolant hoses as long as he checks them all.
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Good! one less headache!!! Pics Pics Pics!

Also, check your timing belt. Hondas have a notoriety that they can run past service intervals, better be safe that sorry!

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Okay... *presses sticky button...nothing happens* I guess someone else will have to sticky it, lol. And keep in mind that this is for a b20a5. There may be some differences for a b21a1.
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Well it's relevant to me. On the subject of plug wires, Y U PREVIOUS OWNERS NEVER CHANGE WIRES. Mine hard original wires on it for 200k miles.
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Good! one less headache!!! Pics Pics Pics!

Also, check your timing belt. Hondas have a notoriety that they can run past service intervals, better be safe that sorry!
Pics? I has them:




One would be hard pressed to find a cleaner one! 99.9% stock (Pioneer deck + Kenwood speakers, very nice sound!), and nearly mint condition, aside from some minor dings on the doors and some basic TLC.

The timing belt is new, replaced when the head gasket was fixed.

Man, I LOVE this car, took it for a cruise down some favorite roads today and it simply rides so nice! Love the powerband, love the way it handles, and esp. love the driver position, the shifter is right where it needs to be!
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Man, I LOVE this car, took it for a cruise down some favorite roads today and it simply rides so nice! Love the powerband, love the way it handles, and esp. love the driver position, the shifter is right where it needs to be!
Another one bitten by the 3rd gen bug. Welcome to your new addiction.

The stock shifter is located well, but a little tall in my opinion. A short shifter is definitely an improvement if you can find one.
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Beautiful, that is all.
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The stock shifter is located well, but a little tall in my opinion. A short shifter is definitely an improvement if you can find one.
From my road racing, autox, and touge experience over the years, I find I'm more in control the closer the shifter is to the steering wheel. For my driving style, I find it necessary to eliminate the time my right hand moves from the steering wheel, to the shifter, and back again.
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Another one bitten by the 3rd gen bug. Welcome to your new addiction.

The stock shifter is located well, but a little tall in my opinion. A short shifter is definitely an improvement if you can find one.
I personally like tall shifters, a DA shift knob puts the shifter at a slightly higher point, which I like.

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I haven't waxed or detailed my car for like 3 months now, it's looking crappy. =[ I'm jealous of your car, I wish I had clear coat.
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I personally like tall shifters, a DA shift knob puts the shifter at a slightly higher point, which I like.
To each his own I guess. I used to do a lot of truck driving, and tall shifters just remind me of driving those. Which is the opposite of how I want to feel when driving the lude.
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To each his own I guess. I used to do a lot of truck driving, and tall shifters just remind me of driving those. Which is the opposite of how I want to feel when driving the lude.
I'm sorry friend, lol I try to drive automatics when it comes to sedans and trucks. How do you like those 12 gears? lol 1st gear... long throw, gear one and a half... long throw second gear...
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Re: Also Just bought a '91 Si

You have just begun on your 3rd gen addiction. And it only gets worse.

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When that B21 gets to be not enough power then, come talk to me about the H22/23 swap.

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Re: Also Just bought a '91 Si

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You have just begun on your 3rd gen addiction. And it only gets worse.

When you want a better suspension, just email me at: 1funryd@comcast.net

I can help put you in a set of Ksport Kontrol Pros that I helped to get designed for our community.

When that B21 gets to be not enough power then, come talk to me about the H22/23 swap.

Enjoy.
Aye-aye Captain! Happy 4th btw!
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Your lude is sick buddy! I really like the black and tan scheme. Now i want to get a tan interior lol.
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Thanks!
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In November after the motor gave out, he sold it.
It's now known as Lucky.
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Re: Also Just bought a '91 Si

You must be bored bringing up all these old threads.

Oh, and congrats on Lucky then. BTW...some of your 'blades are on backwards on the ludes in your sig.
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