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2 Quick 3rd Gen Questions....

Hey Guys,

You all have been very helpful with my questions regarding Preludes. I've posted in the 4th and 5th gen threads these same questions. I'm not sure if there's a thread already on here, but I did a search and didn't see anything really. (If you know of a thread, please post it. Thanks) I'm looking to replace my Grand Prix (99 GT Coupe) and get into the Prelude family. This would be my second car. I'm a college student. Want something cheap, reliable and sporty and this time around I want to get what I really like and not settle like I did with the GP because of someone else's money.

My only questions are 1) I'm 6'2, about 185 pounds. How is head and legroom in this gen? Will I fit? and lastly, what are the things to look out for with this gen? Any major problems? I've decided to open up to this gen also since I've seen some cheap with low mileage. Any comments are greatly appreciated. I'll be getting either a 3rd or 4th gen this summer hopefully. Thanks again
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I'm 6'2, about 185 pounds. How is head and legroom in this gen? Will I fit?

-For your height you might have a little trouble. There are people here that height that have a 3rd gen and they don't seem to mind. From my experience I thought I didn't have much headroom and I am 5'10". You should be fine, just have the seat reclined a little. Legroom is fine in the front and for short trips acceptable in the back

What are the things to look out for with this gen?

-Rust and maintenance. You want to make sure that there are records of a recent timing belt change. A perk with a timing belt change would be tensioner, water pump. The 3rd gen preludes have interference engines which means if the timing belt goes then you will basically need a new engine or rebuild the head. Look for obvious damage or shotty repairs body parts aren't easy to come by IMHO the reason being the 3rd gen prelude isn't common in junk yards.

Any major problems?
-The b21a1 which came in the 90-91 si trims burn oil once you get into the 200k range more or less. They have FRM cylinder sleeves which wear out the rings on your piston. Either rebuild it or find a low miles motor to swap into.

I've decided to open up to this gen also since I've seen some cheap with low mileage. Any comments are greatly appreciated. I'll be getting either a 3rd or 4th gen this summer hopefully.

-Since your in college you might want to keep your Pontiac because there is a possibility that you will need to move around things. It's a bigger car which will make it easier to transport objects. The 3rd gen has a small trunk, but on the upside the back seats fold down which opens up a lot of appreciated cargo space. The 3rd generation Honda Prelude is my favorite out of the newest 3 (3rd, 4th, and 5th generations). It is agile, precise, light, and economical. Running costs are very low. Keep an eye out for examples in good condition. These can be head extremely cheap and they are all at least 24 years old so they didn't hold their value very well. I predict that these preludes will soon become collectors. I recommend one in an SI trim at least, keep a look out for decent examples with all wheel steering, a 5 speed is a must.
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I'm 6'2, about 185 pounds. How is head and legroom in this gen? Will I fit?

-For your height you might have a little trouble. There are people here that height that have a 3rd gen and they don't seem to mind. From my experience I thought I didn't have much headroom and I am 5'10". You should be fine, just have the seat reclined a little. Legroom is fine in the front and for short trips acceptable in the back

What are the things to look out for with this gen?

-Rust and maintenance. You want to make sure that there are records of a recent timing belt change. A perk with a timing belt change would be tensioner, water pump. The 3rd gen preludes have interference engines which means if the timing belt goes then you will basically need a new engine or rebuild the head. Look for obvious damage or shotty repairs body parts aren't easy to come by IMHO the reason being the 3rd gen prelude isn't common in junk yards.

Any major problems?
-The b21a1 which came in the 90-91 si trims burn oil once you get into the 200k range more or less. They have FRM cylinder sleeves which wear out the rings on your piston. Either rebuild it or find a low miles motor to swap into.

I've decided to open up to this gen also since I've seen some cheap with low mileage. Any comments are greatly appreciated. I'll be getting either a 3rd or 4th gen this summer hopefully.

-Since your in college you might want to keep your Pontiac because there is a possibility that you will need to move around things. It's a bigger car which will make it easier to transport objects. The 3rd gen has a small trunk, but on the upside the back seats fold down which opens up a lot of appreciated cargo space. The 3rd generation Honda Prelude is my favorite out of the newest 3 (3rd, 4th, and 5th generations). It is agile, precise, light, and economical. Running costs are very low. Keep an eye out for examples in good condition. These can be head extremely cheap and they are all at least 24 years old so they didn't hold their value very well. I predict that these preludes will soon become collectors. I recommend one in an SI trim at least, keep a look out for decent examples with all wheel steering, a 5 speed is a must.
Thanks for that information. But the Prelude would replace the GP. I don't take my car down to school so I don't really need it for storage. Plus it costs too much anyways LOL But they burn oil? Is it expensive and time consuming to rebuild? Thanks.
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You will do fine, my prelude is my daily driver and I've figured ways to haul things as needed. Only the models with the b21a1 do that, it's because the frm sleeves are stronger than the piston rings and they wear them out quickly. There is nothing wrong with the b21, most people who have that engine love it. The cost of a rebuild ranges in the thousands depending on if you do the work yourself or if a shop does it. It is time consuming to rebuild. Find one that isn't due for one or has had one done recently. Keep in mind a rebuilt engine will not last as long as an original engine. In some cases it is less of a hassle to buy a new engine, a b20a5 can be had for a few hundred bucks.

A b20a5 is going to be the most common engine your going to find in the Prelude Si.

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Keep the GT. You'll have a better time replacing parts for it, be able to upgrade to a GTP or GXP engine, and your gas mileage is about the same. If you've already repaired the GT, no new car headaches and they're roomy. I own a 04 GTO, and was straying towards a GXP when I lost my Prelude.

Any Prelude from 88-91 are not "easy mod" cars. I like the challenge, but if you go to a 4th gen, the difference is night and day. 5th gens are the biggest and Most suited for a 6'2 person. AVOID the automatics.
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Keep the GT. You'll have a better time replacing parts for it, be able to upgrade to a GTP or GXP engine, and your gas mileage is about the same. If you've already repaired the GT, no new car headaches and they're roomy. I own a 04 GTO, and was straying towards a GXP when I lost my Prelude.

Any Prelude from 88-91 are not "easy mod" cars. I like the challenge, but if you go to a 4th gen, the difference is night and day. 5th gens are the biggest and Most suited for a 6'2 person. AVOID the automatics.
Thanks for that. But the GP will be going. It has a mind of its own when it comes to reliability. So she will be leaving me and a Prelude will most likely take her place. And my current gas milage with the GP is nothing to write home about. Again, mind of her own. I'll probably need to test and sit in a Lude for a while to see if it's a good fit for me. I don't use any of the space inside of my GP. It's just my brother and myself, and he's my height.
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You will do fine, my prelude is my daily driver and I've figured ways to haul things as needed. Only the models with the b21a1 do that, it's because the frm sleeves are stronger than the piston rings and they wear them out quickly. There is nothing wrong with the b21, most people who have that engine love it. The cost of a rebuild ranges in the thousands depending on if you do the work yourself or if a shop does it. It is time consuming to rebuild. Find one that isn't due for one or has had one done recently. Keep in mind a rebuilt engine will not last as long as an original engine. In some cases it is less of a hassle to buy a new engine, a b20a5 can be had for a few hundred bucks.

A b20a5 is going to be the most common engine your going to find in the Prelude Si.
So most SI's had the b20a5. The 4WS has the b21a1? And then what about the S? Thanks.
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S are carburated. 88-89 only. The 90-91 are all Fuel Injected, 4WS only came on the highest trims of the third gen SI. All I can say is that the 3rd generation can fit a Tall person, but the passengers in the back won't be happy. Hope this helps.
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So most SI's had the b20a5. The 4WS has the b21a1? And then what about the S? Thanks.
The 88 and 89 4ws have the b20a5. The b21a1 was only available in 90 and 91, and only in the Si, 4ws Si, and ALB Si.

The 3rd gen has a lot of leg room. I'm 6'1" and have plenty of room. I have to reach for the pedals if the seat is all the way back, so I have to move it a couple inches up to drive comfortably.

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S are carburated. 88-89 only. The 90-91 are all Fuel Injected, 4WS only came on the highest trims of the third gen SI. All I can say is that the 3rd generation can fit a Tall person, but the passengers in the back won't be happy. Hope this helps.
Sorry, but this is not correct. The carb'd model was also available in 90. The S model was available for 88, 89, and 90 model years. A simple search would answer these questions as the information is common knowledge.
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Here is one thing to keep in mind, Pontiacs with the cam in block v6's are bulletproof. I actually have a Pontiac G6 GTP sedan and it gets slightly worse mileage than my prelude and needs a lot less attention than the prelude. Keeping in mind the car is only 5 years old, but it isn't treated nicely at all. You might want to look into getting a better Pontiac, like a G6 GTP, these can be had cheap since they don't hold their value for anything. I got my 06 with 64,xxx miles on it for 12,000 a couple years ago.

I love my Prelude to death and it is a great car, but I don't think it would be the best option for you.

Also I want to make a note to you. I actually think my G6 has been more reliable than any car I've owned.
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Here is one thing to keep in mind, Pontiacs with the cam in black v6's are bulletproof. I actually have a Pontiac G6 GTP sedan and it gets slightly worse mileage than my prelude and needs a lot less attention than the prelude. Keeping in mind the car is only 5 years old, but it isn't treated nicely at all. You might want to look into getting a better Pontiac, like a G6 GTP, these can be had cheap since they don't hold their value for anything. I got my 06 with 64,xxx miles on it for 12,000 a couple years ago.

I love my Prelude to death and it is a great car, but I don't think it would be the best option for you.

Also I want to make a note to you. I actually think my G6 has been more reliable than any car I've owned.
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Not so common, but then again my friend has the 1990 prelude sales brochure(he just showed it to me three days ago) Out of the Dozen "S" sightings (In NYC no less) all 88 or 89. Looks like I owe you a coke.

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Here is one thing to keep in mind, Pontiacs with the cam in black v6's are bulletproof. I actually have a Pontiac G6 GTP sedan and it gets slightly worse mileage than my prelude and needs a lot less attention than the prelude. Keeping in mind the car is only 5 years old, but it isn't treated nicely at all. You might want to look into getting a better Pontiac, like a G6 GTP, these can be had cheap since they don't hold their value for anything. I got my 06 with 64,xxx miles on it for 12,000 a couple years ago.

I love my Prelude to death and it is a great car, but I don't think it would be the best option for you.

Also I want to make a note to you. I actually think my G6 has been more reliable than any car I've owned.
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I don't want another Pontiac. Mine now barely starts with that bulletproof 3800 V6 in it. I've taken it to the dealer and had it towed towed there. Pontiac says it's fine. I leave the dealer and it shuts off while I'm driving down the street from the dealer. It's done that about 25 times, mostly while driving. I am done with Pontiac for the moment. I've wanted a Honda for a while. Honda holds a place in my heart as something that I associate with my deceased father. He drove a 94 Civic EX coupe for 8 years and 100k wonderful miles. So this time around, I'm getting a Honda. Don't know if it will be a Lude, although I would like for it to be one.

PS: I'm working with maybe $5 grand. No G6 is in that price range. Grand Prixs and Am's of course, but I don't want one of those.

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The 88 and 89 4ws have the b20a5. The b21a1 was only available in 90 and 91, and only in the Si, 4ws Si, and ALB Si.

The 3rd gen has a lot of leg room. I'm 6'1" and have plenty of room. I have to reach for the pedals if the seat is all the way back, so I have to move it a couple inches up to drive comfortably.



Sorry, but this is not correct. The carb'd model was also available in 90. The S model was available for 88, 89, and 90 model years. A simple search would answer these questions as the information is common knowledge.
You have plenty of room? That's good to hear. I'm hoping to test a 3rd gen and a 4th gen once this semester ends in 2 weeks an then go from there once I get back home.

And everyone seems to say stay away from the Prelude S, either 3rd or 4th gen. Why's that? I don't see many of them anyways though haha
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Ummm... I have a Question for you: Is your Battery terminals tight? If positive gets loose or moves (while driving for example) your car will shut off, Volt meter will jump funny and the radio/clock will flicker and lose the time. Sound familiar?

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Ummm... I have a Question for you: Is your Battery terminals tight? If positive gets loose or moves (while driving for example) your car will shut off, Volt meter will jump funny and the radio/clock will flicker and lose the time. Sound familiar?
In the GP? Pontiac said they checked over the whole entire car, engine, electronics, etc. Said it was all good. Luckily I haven't had to pay for them to see what's wrong with it but in return, IDK what's causing the problem. So I drive with caution now. It was okay when I was home spring break, but I'm tired of it. And when it cuts off, no flicker. Just goes dead. And then it starts right back up like nothings wrong. Pontiac claimed they let it run for 5 hours straight and it never cut off. Maybe it's me? Who knows.
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That's why I'm asking. DID THEY DRIVE THE CAR??? I hate shops because This simple problem eludes Master mechanics. as long as the car idles, the Motor mounts hold the engine still enough so it doesn't wiggle. As you drive, the motor shifts, road vibrations, and acceleration will cause the battery to move, and sparks between the contacts. The car will shut itself down to protect it self from shorts or a bad alternator. Tighten them asap and PM me if that was the prob.
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Why would you say that a prelude isn't a good option for him?
luzer don't kill me! I beg of you! lol
It's just because the prelude is a smaller car than the pontiac and I went from daily driving the pontiac to my prelude. I just tend to give advice to people who are in college to get a practical car i.e. four doors with a trunk or hatch. It doesn't really make sense now that I think of it because I went from the big car to a small car haha I take that back you should do fine with the prelude! Get one! I think that 3rd gens give the most of the fun factor out of all the preludes.
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Re: 2 Quick 3rd Gen Questions....

When you are looking at older Honda's, I would say that the Prelude has more leg room than any of them. But you are generally sitting lower than you would be sitting in say a Civic or Accord, so it's not as easy to get into and out of a Prelude if you are taller. My son has a 97 Integra 4 door, and I really don't have enough leg room to drive it comfortably. My brother is 6'3" and he has commented about how my lude has plenty of leg room for him. You'll be fine, just make sure to test drive any lude you are looking at buying.
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That's why I'm asking. DID THEY DRIVE THE CAR??? I hate shops because This simple problem eludes Master mechanics. as long as the car idles, the Motor mounts hold the engine still enough so it doesn't wiggle. As you drive, the motor shifts, road vibrations, and acceleration will cause the battery to move, and sparks between the contacts. The car will shut itself down to protect it self from shorts or a bad alternator. Tighten them asap and PM me if that was the prob.
They claimed that they aren't allowed to drive it for insurance reasons or something. When I get home in 2 weeks, I'll see how she's doing. Right now my uncle says she's been fine. He looks after her while I'm away at school. We shall see in two weeks. Thanks for the info and asking though :)
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luzer don't kill me! I beg of you! lol
It's just because the prelude is a smaller car than the pontiac and I went from daily driving the pontiac to my prelude. I just tend to give advice to people who are in college to get a practical car i.e. four doors with a trunk or hatch. It doesn't really make sense now that I think of it because I went from the big car to a small car haha I take that back you should do fine with the prelude! Get one! I think that 3rd gens give the most of the fun factor out of all the preludes.
Four doors in college just gives people an incentive to think that they should be driven everywhere. I do that with my friends now haha No sir, 2 doors + a tight backseat= Prelude haha
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When you are looking at older Honda's, I would say that the Prelude has more leg room than any of them. But you are generally sitting lower than you would be sitting in say a Civic or Accord, so it's not as easy to get into and out of a Prelude if you are taller. My son has a 97 Integra 4 door, and I really don't have enough leg room to drive it comfortably. My brother is 6'3" and he has commented about how my lude has plenty of leg room for him. You'll be fine, just make sure to test drive any lude you are looking at buying.
Thank you. I plan to do a lot of test driving with the Preludes. But one thing: I read this gen doesn't have airbags. How do you guys feel about that?
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Re: 2 Quick 3rd Gen Questions....

You're right, they don't have airbags. It's not really an issue for me since most of the cars I've owned over the years didn't have them either. Honestly, if you want a safe car you might want to look for something newer.
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I'm not really looking for safety since nothing is full proof, but I just thought I'd ask how that was with current owners not having any.
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where in ohio are you? im up at school now in toledo but originally from delaware
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I don't mind that it doesn't have airbags, I feel great driving the car and I've been in bad crashes in tin cans of the same age with the airbags and it isn't bad.
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im a new prelude owner and i gotta say its allot of fun having a 3rd gen and with the money you have you should find a really good one i love my 3rd gen and im sure u will love one to
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i love my 3rd gen and im sure u will love one to
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See my signature below for my opinion.
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where in ohio are you? im up at school now in toledo but originally from delaware
I'm on good old Oxford. Nothing much to do up here but the main thing is school and that's fine

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I don't mind that it doesn't have airbags, I feel great driving the car and I've been in bad crashes in tin cans of the same age with the airbags and it isn't bad.
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im a new prelude owner and i gotta say its allot of fun having a 3rd gen and with the money you have you should find a really good one i love my 3rd gen and im sure u will love one to
I hope so. :) Honda will be getting my money in some way, shape or form this summer by either Prelude or the backups: Accord, Civic or del Sol.
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