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alright i need yalls opinion. I know i posted the thread about Building one of my B21 motors for my car, but the way my bank account is looking theres no way that i will be able to have the money to complete that build any time soon because i want to do it right, and i do want to keep the 4WS somewhat origional, but my brother is going to be buying a 07 GT mustang after he gets his degree so im going to take over his black 4ws, i figured i could go with the built B21 in that later on down the road because now im thinking of doing the JDM H22A swap in my car, I want around 200 whp out of my lude and i know that will be much easyer to obtain out of the H22 (considering it has 200 crank hp and 161 tq) than it would the B21 without boosting it. does anyone have personal experience with the 3rd gen H22 swap? how hard is it? how much stuff do i have to cut and weld under the hood? how long does it take? and do yall think its possible to get it up and running with the H22A for around $2500? do yall have any suggestions to which company to go with, i've been thinking about this site http://www.osakajdmmotors.com/honda/h22a/index.html for everything it is 1900 (unshipped) but i figured the other 600 up to 2500 would cover shipping, axles and any special mounts i would have to buy. and plus i want to do this because im getting sick of civic drivers who think they know everything about hondas because they have a B16 swapped into their 4 door but know nothing about preludes telling me that preludes dont have B series engins, so when they ask me if i have the H22 or H23 i can say H22 and then i dont have to argue with them or open my hood to prove it! or for those 4th and 5th gen drivers who think they are going to whip on on my lude cause its a B series 3rd gen, i will be able to say sorry bud I HAVE VTAK TOO! haha
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My friend, im doing h22 myself.
You missed out on the Group buy on mounts. It expired last night.
But rest assured, it will be available again sometime in the near future.

Let me rant on a little, or actually, kick the 100% truth about "us."
When i first got my Prelude, i used to give a :tup: to any Prelude i saw on the road. When i saw a 4th gen, i used to smile and thought they would know us. I was WRONG.
They look at you like they want to race.
*Fine.
Then i see 5th gens, i used to give the "head-light" flip to them, as they are the 3rd gen-look-like. NOPE. They again, look at you like you want to race, or you are crazy.
So, i stopped entirely saying or even acknowledging them completely.
Now, when i see other 3rd gens, or other 2nd gens, it's a different story. We tag each other, even pull over and shoot the breeze with complete strangers. You now Ryuc14911(member here and a great friend of mine)? i saw him last year driving in Manhattan in his sisters 3rd gen. He nodded and gave a :tup: Later that month, i saw him at a NY Prelude meet!!!

All in all, sometimes i believe Integra/Civic owners are closer. When i used to own an Integra, everytime a DA Teggy saw me, they would always give a :tup: or nod. When I had my Civic, other Civic drivers use to always nod back. Not so with 4th/5th gen drivers at all.

"How could you drive a Prelude and hate on it's roots? Can you say contradictory?" ~TZAR on Pp.com

Again with the Civic people.
90% of them are ignorant.
Ignoranance is bliss.
What thet dont know, is that the b20a/b21a1 are the father of the B series motors. We came from f1 technology, Honda's 80's turbo projects(if you can recall). We were supposed to be turbocharged from the factory, but it didnt go through.
Why are our motors hated on and special?
They have nothing in common with the other B series.
It's true.
Our piston speeds rival F1 motors at an alarming rate, non-vtec that is.
If you put 7psi on a b20a5, STOCK, you will DOUBLE HP. YES, our motors are built to be BOOSTED.
We paved the way for FRM.
Honda tested out the 90-91 Preludes for their elusive NSX. The NSX V6 DOHC uses FRM, mainly because of "us."
Notice how the NSX looks like a 3g Prelude? Notice the tail light how it lights up at night? tell me a spaceship can duplicate that? hmmmm? no.
Then, Honda made FRM better and started to use FRM in the h23 & h22 motors. But again, only 1% of the 4th & 5th gen drivers know this.

...
Am I bitter?
somewhat.
it's more of a dissapointment.
You think im being an ASS?
NO.
Read the hundreds upon hundreds of posts on Pp.com about "us" and 4th/5th gen drivers.

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With that saying, to do a h22 swap, you need custom made mounts.
You noticed that our motors "slant" back right? this is for the ultra low hood line. Custom mounts must be made. I just bought them and should be getting them soon.
Next up would be custom axles.
I believe 94-CD5/7 Accord axles will work, but we are getting custom made axles made for us regardless.
After that, since you are 90-91, we have OBDI, so it'll be easier.

Venture over to PP.com, or PM me. There is alot more "friends" over there in terms of 3rd gens and 2nd gens...true LUDERS IMO.
Just today i saw a 2nd gen this morning on my way to work. He looked at me, then looked at my Lude. I pointed his way and he smiled back and was like, "YEAH MAN!' it was a 2.0Si, 2nd gen in laurel blue with the freaking awesome rear deck spoiler...so nice.

All in all, there is only one place to get the mounts. The mounts, is what is most important.


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ah. u guys are puttin h series in a 3rd gen i see. well its good to have h22 in those chasis but if you really want to rebuild your h22 and turbo it. I dont recommand it in a 3rd gen. example. its basically like civics. EF 1991 civic w/ h22 stock would b fine but after you do some mods on there the chasis are weak soo it would not able to hold that huge amount of torque from h series. now EG 1992+ civic will bolt on and u could do fully built H because of frame is stiff enoff and chasis. If I was you guys, buddy of mine did bottom built b21 turbo @ 22psi makin 400 est. that would hall ass. but it would be sick havin h series in a 3rd gen. but good luck with your project man.
2500?? spend that on a b21 :-) more power
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ah. u guys are puttin h series in a 3rd gen i see. well its good to have h22 in those chasis but if you really want to rebuild your h22 and turbo it. I dont recommand it in a 3rd gen. example. its basically like civics. EF 1991 civic w/ h22 stock would b fine but after you do some mods on there the chasis are weak soo it would not able to hold that huge amount of torque from h series...
First, NO ONE IS TURBOING ANYTHING.

WOW.

Im sorry, i do like your Prelude, but not everyone likes boost as much as you.

...basically like Civics?
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Thanks for the words of encouragment, i guess...

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duh it was an example lol. its not like civics. i was just referrin it. u know wat i mean lol
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yeah thanks for the advice but no turbo for me, but i am going to do a B21 build but im not going to half ass it or anything like that so it's going to take time and alot more money, the H22 will give me the power i want without extreme modifacation other than cams, header, intake, and some other little stuff, because i want to be able to drive my car everyday and not worry about having too much power to where when it rains i can't drive it. plus that will let me save some more money up so i can get the suspension to where i want it, then when i finish with this prelude i will start with the B21 build on the black 4ws, leave the stock rims on it, stock interior and exterior (with the exception of tint), and possibly just upgrade the the suspension and brakes a bit with new parts but stock height, and a nice quiet exhaust!
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If they wanna be ignorant, let 'em. There's this kid at my shcool with a V6 Camaro wanting to race me. Everyday I hear remarks about being a ricer, etc. when my car is 100% stock. Now, my H23 could beat him if I nailed every shift perfect because he is stock as well so it'd be a driver's race. I'm just holding my tounge for a few more weeks (hopefully) then I'm swapping in a JDM H22 and Imma ****in pwn his ass. Whenever he goes and gets his Flowmaster exhaust, by then, I'll have my Type S pistons in and get ready to do it all over again. Once thing I've learned from B (prelude13), be humble. Let them talk their ****. Your time will come. The only reason they talk **** is because they know in reality, they're not worth a bit of a ****ing bull**** to begin with and it makes them feel better to critisize others. Let it go and do your thing. Build your car to please you, not so the Civics will be right by saying it has an H-series or so you can beat a 5th gen because they think you have a B-series.
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but thanks for the info prelude13, keep me posted if you see any other mounts or anything else i will need to do the swap with for sale, and i agree 100% with your rant too, when i got my lude i was always looking out for other preludes on the roads, but it's almost as if they think my prelude is inferior because it's a little bit older thats if they even know that it's a prelude, but i still remember the first time i seen a 1st gen prelude in person, it was beat to hell and back with rust all over the rear quater panels and the interior all ripped up, but i still would have liked to take that thing home with me! just for the fact of it being the roots of the prelude! but i've came to notice that it's fun to park next to 5th gen preludes in parking lots and watch the person who owns the 5th gen walk around my 3rd gen and look at it like they learned something new, about how simular they really are!
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yeah thats what i plan to do Si, but in all honesty if i do the the H22 in i will just keep telling everybody that it's still the B21, let them wonder while i drive off and just please myself with the power on the back roads while hitting the curves!
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My thought exactly, lol. I'll let yall know when I get the H22 but as far as any non-luder, imma just tell them its a 94 Si. Hahaha...
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yeah i found the the write up on how to do the 3rd gen h22 on prelude power and theres a video on there as well where they are in the mounains or something and the 3rd gen is right on a s2ks ass!
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YES.
That is Daily Interlude.
I met up with AKADREAD tonight to sell my exhaust.
HE goes, "I used to have one of those. H22 that beast and you'll be EFFIN Flying...I know how light those cars, cant no one tell me how light they are."

Im already excited man.
Im gonna be vtec'ing it soon. y0!




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while we're at it, how hard is it to put a H22A from a 97+ to a 4th gen?
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I wouldn't think it'd be that hard. Why would you want to do that though? It will be obd2 unless you have a 96 lude.
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i've had too many memories with my car to give it up. i'd just upgrade it. even when i get another car, i'll put this one in the garage and work on it slowly.

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Just get a 92-95 H22A, then put some S-Spec 11:1 pistons and cams. That's my plan.
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cough cough.. Im not a hater nor im not tryin to critisize. Im just leavin a recommandation for whoever is doing 3rd gen h series swap. and again, Honda= Turbo GAME.! and im happy my car looks junky i guess i could call it sleeper ?
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ah. u guys are puttin h series in a 3rd gen i see. well its good to have h22 in those chasis but if you really want to rebuild your h22 and turbo it. I dont recommand it in a 3rd gen. example. its basically like civics. EF 1991 civic w/ h22 stock would b fine but after you do some mods on there the chasis are weak soo it would not able to hold that huge amount of torque from h series. now EG 1992+ civic will bolt on and u could do fully built H because of frame is stiff enoff and chasis. If I was you guys, buddy of mine did bottom built b21 turbo @ 22psi makin 400 est. that would hall ass. but it would be sick havin h series in a 3rd gen. but good luck with your project man.
2500?? spend that on a b21 :-) more power
WRONG! 3rd gens do not have weak chassis. where the hell do you get this from? those who know me from ************ know my first 3rd gen had an H23A1 in it. more torque...yes. weak chassis ...NO. comparing my 3rd gen lude to my '91 CRX Si i would have to say the lude is alot beefier. think about it. a car that weighs 500lbs more than a CRX and handles like it in the twisties must have a very stiff chassis. more power and torque is always a good thing. considering that H series only weigh about 30lbs more than B20XX and B21XX motors. ppl shy away from it cause they think it's more like 200lb difference. i had no handling issues with the H23 in the corners. yes it's true that it has more torque so launching it in a drag race will take some skill. but he 3rd fen chassis can handle it with an LSD and some good tires on.
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hahaha what's up bro, it's Brian, ala IF Brian!!!
hey what's up Brian i had a feeling that was you. just curious, how come you spelled my name Daveth? lol! yeah registered here when this place first started but i rarely ever post because it's always the same threads as the other prelude site. you know which one. plus i haven't visited in a while since i got married back in August. good to see some familiar names here though. i think i'll be visiting more often since i know you guys are here too. hey is Tuna here?


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Tuna told me your name is spelled, "Daveth?" I guess he's wrong, like always :smirk:
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